Prince EWS
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My money is on not enough runs.
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*Official* T20I Tri Series in Zimbabwe 2018
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Mr Miyagi
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On the bright side, at least they're not fielding. So they have a chance.
Mr Miyagi
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Heard about one swallow not making a summer, well one finch doesn't make a batting order
Prince EWS
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Yeah we all know what's really important in T20 cricket is for your #8 batsman to be able to play a long innings. What went wrong?
Spikey
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Agar, Stonis & Wild Wildermuth faced 18 balls with the bat and bowled 26 balls. them bowling more balls than facing is both a) not ideal and b) an entirely likely scenario (I've excluded Maxwell, but obviously he only adds to that difference)
the other annoying thing about them picking so many all-rounders is that it means one bad over can see you blacklisted. the 7 and 8 bowled 2 overs total! god. pick specialists!!!
Mr Miyagi
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You don't necessarily need specialists. You need allrounders or specialists who can simply get the job done. Agar is making Santner look like Sobers right now. Better yet, Miller (but a spin version). Thanks CA.
Borges
International Regular
Well done, Pakistan!
All three teams would be pleased with the way things have gome in this tournament: Pakistan winning it, Australia picking up the pieces after the frightful hammering they got at the hands of the Englishmen and Zimbabwe putting up a fight despite missing many players.
All three teams would be pleased with the way things have gome in this tournament: Pakistan winning it, Australia picking up the pieces after the frightful hammering they got at the hands of the Englishmen and Zimbabwe putting up a fight despite missing many players.
stephen
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I'm of the belief that your best bet is a traditional 6/1/4 batting lineup, with two of the batsmen being able to roll their arm over.
I mean sure as a captain it's nice to be able to choose from 8 guys but realistically your four front line bowlers should be able to bowl 4 overs each. Then if your part time bowlers get a bit of tap then you still have 6 batsmen to chase down the leaked runs.
How many times do you see 7 bowlers having bowled with 3-4 off them having bowled 2 overs at 12 an over? Better off picking 4 guys who go at under 8 and then have 5 & 6 make up the numbers.
In certain circumstances I'd even be tempted to play 5 bowlers over the extra bat. Runs restricted are runs you don't have to score.
Look at this example tonight. The innings was half done for Australia before they even lost a wicket. If we'd played:
Finch
Short
Maxwell
Stoinis
Head
Carey
Agar
Tye
Richardson
Stanlake
Lyon
We would have been much more likely to restrict the runs. 185 is a solid and defensible target in t20 cricket and it's unlikely we would have lost much of that with this bowling attack. As much as I like him both personally and as a player, Wildermuth is wasted at 9. A specialist bowler like Lyon gives much more options to the bowling captain. I'm not saying it would have made a difference to the result but in t20 cricket you get much worse diminishing returns stacking your batting compared to stacking your bowling.
stephen
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Thoroughly agree. Some money baller out there will win an ipl with a cheap team one year because they stack the bowling instead of the batting. You always need at least 5 bowlers but you rarely need more than 5 batsmen - a bowler who can swing a bit will usually do below number 6.
stephen
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I just did some quick statsguru magic.
If a team losses 6+ wickets their chance of victory is 40% in a t20i.
If a team losses 5 wickets or less, they have a 90% chance of victory.
Adding extra bowlers in theory puts your opponent more often into the first category.
7 wickets is the cut off point where teams are more likely to lose if they lose that many wickets. Only losing 6 wickets marginally favours your side. So theoretically you should never be counting on your number 9, 10 or 11 batting because if you do you're probably going to lose anyway.
Then again in theory a long tail means your top order can take more risks.
If a team losses 6+ wickets their chance of victory is 40% in a t20i.
If a team losses 5 wickets or less, they have a 90% chance of victory.
Adding extra bowlers in theory puts your opponent more often into the first category.
7 wickets is the cut off point where teams are more likely to lose if they lose that many wickets. Only losing 6 wickets marginally favours your side. So theoretically you should never be counting on your number 9, 10 or 11 batting because if you do you're probably going to lose anyway.
Then again in theory a long tail means your top order can take more risks.
Mr Miyagi
Banned
I'm from the Sanga and now Morgan school of the best bet being to pick the best team knowing that 20 overs may have to be bowled, and 20 overs may have to be batted, and that dictates the formation of it - not predefined traditional roles.
But I agree in t20 batting deep is less critical than it is in ODI but the bowling demands are slightly higher.
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quincywagstaff
International Debutant
Reckon Fakhar got inside Australia's minds based on his innings in the previous match; they probably realised they gave him too many leg-side opportunities but overcompensated (e.g. Wildermuth's three consecutive wides well outside off) and just didn't have a viable plan for him.
Australia's bowling just didn't have the guile and deception that one needs in a T20 lineup; Stoinis a classic example where even his attempts to change pace and deceive are easily telegraphed. Tye can do it at times but Stanlake is someone whose skills will be better suited to the longer formats.
Australia's bowling just didn't have the guile and deception that one needs in a T20 lineup; Stoinis a classic example where even his attempts to change pace and deceive are easily telegraphed. Tye can do it at times but Stanlake is someone whose skills will be better suited to the longer formats.
TheJediBrah
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No. 1 team in the world winning is a surprise?