*Official* Bangladesh in the West Indies 2018

[Mr Miyagi]

Is it really a lack of fight when only two innings so far have gone beyond 20 balls?

Haque has faced 5 balls, and been dismissed twice. I wouldn't be making character judgments on him about this. Gabriel and Roach are handy bowlers, who seem to be exploiting the conditions well.

As a NZC fan I remember when SA tore us apart on the opening day of the series with Philander. The NZ team was just not technically ready for such an examination. Noone would suggest KW isn't a fighter, or McCullum for that matter. Even Guptill has great attributes as a leader within a team. From there, it just kept falling apart for the NZC batsmen as Steyn got into his groove.

The only batsmen who could hold their heads high at the end of that test series were Brownlie (since long time dropped because he is awful versus spin and yet masterful vs seam and swing) and Watling who has become a regular stalwart for NZC since. That tour ended the careers of Flynn and Franklin, and saw Guppie dropped (with Munro still not having received a second chance as yet).

1st Test, New Zealand tour of South Africa at Cape Town, Jan 2-4 2013 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

2nd Test, New Zealand tour of South Africa at Port Elizabeth, Jan 11-14 2013 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

 

[stephen]

Looking at this scorecard has reminded me of better times. Like when the Windies were a good test side. Roach and Gabriel hardly invoke the same level of fear and awe as Marshall and Garner. But it's good to be reminded of such things.

 

[cnerd123]

Its not a knee jerk reaction to one innings, these patterns been consistent over multiple series across all formats that BD have played in over the last few years.

They've improved in many ways - fast bowling and a stomach for a fight in unfavourable conditions are not two of them

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Its not a knee jerk reaction to one innings, these patterns been consistent over multiple series across all formats that BD have played in over the last few years.

They've improved in many ways - fast bowling and a stomach for a fight in unfavourable conditions are not two of them

You know the Bangladesh team better than I do.

All I can say is by analogy, that NZ still suck in India in tests, and I don't think it is due to a lack of fight on behalf of NZC batsmen.

I am sure that the players really want to perform. But they just have not mastered the conditions. I am sure the spin bowlers want to be better too, and while Santner is trying and learning, he still isn't an effective test threat.

Sodhi has also been working his butt off, but it just isn't happening for him in tests.

But I don't doubt their desire to get better and get results.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Looking at this scorecard has reminded me of better times. Like when the Windies were a good test side. Roach and Gabriel hardly invoke the same level of fear and awe as Marshall and Garner. But it's good to be reminded of such things.

This is basically the same bowling attack (Roach, Gabriel, Holder (might have had Jerome Taylor?)) that went for 3/600 & 3/550 against Aus a couple of years ago (series where Voges made ~500 runs without being dismissed).

Nice to see they can be a genuine threat

 

[Borges]

From what I've seen in this game, the problem with Bangladesh is a definite lack of basic skills to play cricket in even slightly alien conditions.
Stomach to fight is all very fine only if there is a stomach of some kind to start with. Right now, it is like a poodle going to the stock market.

What they need desperately is sharpening of their basic skill set; essentially more exposure to overseas conditions. Much more than some kind of sports psychologist.

 

[quincywagstaff]

Like everyone else, I'm shocked how bad Bangladesh have been but perhaps the signs were there on their SA tour; they were downright amateur in their batting at times there. I guess we wrote it off due to how tough SA is at home but it seems they've just stagnated in overseas conditions and have become too comfortable in being stronger at home.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah I had a feeling this (well, maybe not quite this, but a comprehensive smashing) would happen after watching the WI-SL series. West Indies for quite a while has been a place Bangladesh might not mind visiting -- low quality opposition with pitches often turning and always slow -- but with the West Indies on a more of a high than usual, Roach and Gabriel bowling as well as they ever have, the pitches suiting fast bowling a lot more this season, the change to the Duke and Bangladesh appointing Shakib as Test captain again, all signs pointed to a smashing.

 

[Shri]

Nagin dance?

 

[cnerd123]

From what I've seen in this game, the problem with Bangladesh is a definite lack of basic skills to play cricket in even slightly alien conditions.
Stomach to fight is all very fine only if there is a stomach of some kind to start with. Right now, it is like a poodle going to the stock market.

What they need desperately is sharpening of their basic skill set; essentially more exposure to overseas conditions. Much more than some kind of sports psychologist.

Awful lot of the dismissals just look like they didn't realise they could leave balls outside off alone. And the number of big booming drives attempted is criminal. These point to mental failings more than technical IMO.

Besides, technique is overrated. Plenty of players over the years have over come technical weaknesses by just by being gritty and smart. We see it time and time again. As PEWS pointed out, we knew the ball would swing and seam based on the SL Series. Maybe the BD batsmen didn't realise that coming in, but once they saw there was movement there was an abject failure to try and adapt to it. They just kept batting as tho they were in the subcontinent and waiting for it to come off. They have all played in swinging and seaming conditions before. You would expect them to have some tricks and adaptations in their toolbox from their experience with them on how to deal with it. You would expect there to be some deep desire to occupy the crease at all costs till they sort the bowling out. You would expect there to be some stubbornness. All that seemed missing and that's what disappoints me.

If they fought their way to 100 a/o and really couldn't do any better due to technical limitations, that's fine. But 43 a/o with more than half the dismissals being due to poor shot selection, to me, is a sign of mental deficiencies.

 

[Burgey]

So they’re ftbs.

 

[TheJediBrah]

is a sign of mental deficiencies.

Just like your posts

 

[cnerd123]

So they’re ftbs.

They play turning decks pretty well, and in NZ they demonstrated a good ability to handle the moving ball in patches. Uneven bounce and seam movement at pace seems to be the big issue.

I think they just need the momentum behind them and they're suddenly golden. Lose two early wickets in a Test no one is watching, on a pitch doing something, against an attack genuinely bowling well, and they just decided the hard work isn't worth it and keep trying the flail they're way out. Vs being all hyped up for a tour against a top team following some historic performances, hitting the ground running with a good start. Then they raise themselves to a new level and actually look decent then

 

[Mr Miyagi]

They play turning decks pretty well, and in NZ they demonstrated a good ability to handle the moving ball in patches. Uneven bounce and seam movement at pace seems to be the big issue.

I think they just need the momentum behind them and they're suddenly golden. Lose two early wickets in a Test no one is watching, on a pitch doing something, against an attack genuinely bowling well, and they just decided the hard work isn't worth it and keep trying the flail they're way out. Vs being all hyped up for a tour against a top team following some historic performances, hitting the ground running with a good start. Then they raise themselves to a new level and actually look decent then

The Basin (Wellington) has been a batting paradise of a road for years now. It may often look green, but it's been flat as a pancake and gives the bowlers stuff all after lunch on day 1. Don't put too much stock made on runs there in recent years.

 

[cnerd123]

Flat but the ball swung and they handled that well enough

Like I said, inconsistent bounce and seam movement is clearly their weakness

 

[Burgey]

They play turning decks pretty well, and in NZ they demonstrated a good ability to handle the moving ball in patches. Uneven bounce and seam movement at pace seems to be the big issue.

I think they just need the momentum behind them and they're suddenly golden. Lose two early wickets in a Test no one is watching, on a pitch doing something, against an attack genuinely bowling well, and they just decided the hard work isn't worth it and keep trying the flail they're way out. Vs being all hyped up for a tour against a top team following some historic performances, hitting the ground running with a good start. Then they raise themselves to a new level and actually look decent then

Ok

 

[Burgey]

Flat but the ball swung and they handled that well enough

Like I said, inconsistent bounce and seam movement is clearly their weakness

Trash above waist height. You can’t be surprised at that.

 

[cnerd123]

I didn't say bounce I said inconsistent bounce, idiot.

 

[GotSpin]

Fairly ridiculous that Bangladesh are doing so poorly in the second dig even though Roach can't bowl

 

[Bahseph]

@*****. I always love your enthusiasm about Bangladesh but if you are saying that Shakib can't be bothered, which he clearly isn't when he missed the SA tour, then he shouldn't be playing this format.