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[Mr Miyagi]

Don't be wilfully obtuse. I obviously meant his test debut was after few FC games which taints his stats a bit. Obviously he got better between 78' noob Marshall and 83' GOAT Marshall

I had no idea that you meant that. I am not a mind reader.

He had a handful of FC games and averaged in the high 30s. Then in 83 he went beast mode, averaging under 20 and 5 WPM for the rest of his career from that point.

So you agree now that the above statement is more than partially wrong (or requires some mind reading to decypher)?

 

[trundler]

I literally said it was partially wrong. You're nitpicking. Maybe I worded it vaguely, sure.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

I literally said it was partially wrong. You're nitpicking. Maybe I worded it vaguely, sure.

Well sure, if more than 50 FC games averaging in the 20's is only partially wrong as against merely a handful averaging in the high 30's.

Just insult me and call me willfully obtuse again. It seems to suit both our styles more. One of us on the basis of this thread can freely admit their mistakes.

 

[trundler]

Lol I meant Marshall at his debut had few games and a high average. I admit I worded it vaguely and have no qualms with admitting it. Apologies.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Lol I meant Marshall at his debut had few games and a high average. I admit I worded it vaguely and have no qualms with admitting it. Apologies.

No worries. Lets move on

Steyn, Abbott, MMorkel, Philander and Rabada get close.

Not sure the Aus superteam beats this even with S Clarke.

Possibly an earlier SA team may rival it, depending on where Schultz is rated in talent (in a Donald and Pollock era with Ntini and whoever else - Fanie de Villiers maybe) (and not incl early career ending results for poor Schultz).

 

[trundler]

Finch is probably the best in the world in T20s ATM. Rahul has had a good couple of months. Could all go belly up. Kohli is good too. Had a meh IPL but a format ATG. I'm excited about Pant. He's a bit like Lara and Sobers with his back lift. Fakhar has been consistently putting up quick 30s and 40s but no big scores. I rate him though. Hales and Roy are fun to watch in T20s too but Finch it is

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Hard to hide from Finch's stats. On paper it's out of Finch or KL Rahul I think.

Andre Russell has bad t20I stats, decent in normal t20..but he has quite poor stats in international t20 despite great ones in ODIs.

Dre Russ is not just a batsman but a package. And he is a very good package (when he can bowl well).

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Finch is probably the best in the world in T20s ATM. Rahul has had a good couple of months. Could all go belly up. Kohli is good too. Had a meh IPL but a format ATG. I'm excited about Pant. He's a bit like Lara and Sobers with his back lift. Fakhar has been consistently putting up quick 30s and 40s but no big scores. I rate him though. Hales and Roy are fun to watch in T20s too but Finch it is

Yeah - Pant is an excitement machine, that many of us even outside of India are waiting for to see whether that golf swing can work in internationals as well as the IPL.

Shadhab Khan as an allrounder - never to be IPL the way politics is shaping at present - is a more than useful shout too. He keeps doing good things with bat and ball.

I still more than uncomfortable saying Finch is the best though. I've seen nothing in the IPL since 2016 to support this theory, even if he took Zimbabwe apart in t20i.

 

[trundler]

Pant, Stanlake and Muzurabani are the 3 blokes I'm looking forward to most. They just need to be refined.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

I cannot accept Finch, Roy, Hales even being in the discussion myself.

Finch is in the t20 i discussion fairly, but his IPL counts against him for mine.

Roy and Hales, ditto.

Warner has a great IPL but mediocre T20i.

KW is on the up and up. Root is underrated. ABdV did nothing in t20i despite his IPL heroics.

I think it is wide open for the best t20 batsman. They need to conquor both t20i and IPL (unless Pakistani) for mine, and noone is just yet that I can think of.

I won't give it to Kohli and his slow starts by default. I want more from the best t20 batsman in the world title.

 

[trundler]

Finch has godly stats. This year KXIP messed up by not sending him up the order regularly.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Finch has godly stats. This year KXIP messed up by not sending him up the order regularly.

Finch's IPL career is below ordinary (26 at 130) and he is at DD, GL before that.

His only good season was 2016: https://www.iplt20.com/teams/delhi-daredevils/squad/167/aaron-finch (39 at sr 131)

Seriously - Warner beats this with one hand tied behind his back. Warner is an IPL god. But a t20I damp squib.

Compare:

https://www.iplt20.com/teams/sunrisers-hyderabad/squad/170/david-warner

Or even:
https://www.iplt20.com/teams/sunrisers-hyderabad/squad/440/kane-williamson

 

[Borges]

I do not know about all these statistics; and I don't really care how the experts on CricketWeb are going to spin them.
The one thing I do know is that, if its between the two of them, I'll have Warner over Finch in every form of cricket, including T20Is..

 

[Jack1]

International is the pinnacle and all that really matters to me to be honest. Finch's stats are ridiculous in international t20

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Genuinely never realised there was a game yesterday. 12 hour shifts and focus on the football meant I missed it. Roll on the tests, not fussed till then.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I do not know about all these statistics; and I don't really care how the experts on CricketWeb are going to spin them.
The one thing I do know is that, if its between the two of them, I'll have Warner over Finch in every form of cricket, including T20Is..

Finch is so much better than Warner at T20Is though

Warner's been better at bullying weaker attacks in the T20 leagues but that's about it

 

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[GoodAreasShane]

Finch is so much better than Warner at T20Is though

Warner's been better at bullying weaker attacks in the T20 leagues but that's about it

Strangely enough Warner's debut T20 innings is probably still his best through to this day, to see a virtually unknown (at that stage) debutant smashing Steyn and Ntini all around the MCG was seriously impressive. Since then however he has never really hit those same heights again at T20I level

 

[TheJediBrah]

Strangely enough Warner's debut T20 innings is probably still his best through to this day, to see a virtually unknown (at that stage) debutant smashing Steyn and Ntini all around the MCG was seriously impressive. Since then however he has never really hit those same heights again at T20I level

Funny that T20s are easily Warner's worst format, as when he initially came on to the scene that was all he was. He'd never even played a First-class game. Now he's been the World's premier Test opening bat for the last 5 years

 

[Borges]

Over the last five years, I'd give my vote to Azhar Ali.
Over an entire career, among the current openers, it's Warner.