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***Official*** Australia in England 2018

Who will win the ODI series?

  • England

    Votes: 13 92.9%
  • Australia

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • Total voters
    14
  • Poll closed .

NotMcKenzie

International Debutant
How can you gauge it though? 'm quite sure International batsmen have always had bats with enormous sweet spots and tried to get the best wood and bat maker available . Club batsmen can get great bats now, but I'd imagine international players have always had incredible bats. I'm not sure how to gauge it as a result.

As for the players, they are a lot powerful and stronger now (and more shot range/skill). Cricket is far more professional now. I compete in a strength sport at elite level and people always query my bat when I play club cricket and start hitting boundaries. I just hit the ball really hard with a fast swing speed.
I should say you are completely ignorant of how bats have changed over the years


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Check the edges on the bat used by Viv Richards, one of hardest-hitting batsmen ever around:



By comparison, Jason Roy:

 

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trundler

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How can you gauge it though? 'm quite sure International batsmen have always had bats with enormous sweet spots and tried to get the best wood and bat maker available . Club batsmen can get great bats now, but I'd imagine international players have always had incredible bats. I'm not sure how to gauge it as a result.

As for the players, they are a lot powerful and stronger now (and more shot range/skill). Cricket is far more professional now. I compete in a strength sport at elite level and people always query my bat when I play club cricket and start hitting boundaries. I just hit the ball really hard with a fast swing speed.
No, they haven't. Just ask them. Matthew Hayden for example says that his pre-2000 bats were far inferior. Ponting thinks bats need to be regulated too. Cricketers have been professional athletes since
the 80s and 90s. Edges go for sixes, what would be a keeper's catch goes for a boundary over his head, etc etc. Plus, the ball doesn't even swing anymore. You are pushing bowlers into a corner with the current ODI rules and expecting them to magically get better. Bowlers have more variation now more than ever, the yorker has been mastered, slower balls and reverse swing have been introduced.
 

Cow

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Why isn't it possible? Why aren't there more bowlers capable of McGrath like accuracy? Or bowling Yorkers over and over. It's just practice and all these guys do is play cricket.

Variations aren't always effective, sometimes we see too many variations...especially too many slower balls at times. We see no where near enough Yorkers.
McGrath would get penetrated too. 80 mph on a length... the ducks in the Trent would be getting peppered.
 

trundler

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Why isn't it possible? Why aren't there more bowlers capable of McGrath like accuracy? Or bowling Yorkers over and over. It's just practice and all these guys do is play cricket.

Variations aren't always effective, sometimes we see too many variations...especially too many slower balls at times. We see no where near enough Yorkers.
Every bowler isn't going to be McGrath, but every batsman can hit it like Viv now which is precisely the problem.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
How can you gauge it though? 'm quite sure International batsmen have always had bats with enormous sweet spots and tried to get the best wood and bat maker available . Club batsmen can get great bats now, but I'd imagine international players have always had incredible bats. I'm not sure how to gauge it as a result.
There's been studies done on it actually. The 5x increase in sweet spot is from an article a couple of years old I don't remember. The MCC produced a short informal paper in May 2016 which said that a bat from 1905 had a sweet spot of 80 mm long while one from 2013 was 215 mm (that's length, not area) and the size of the edges went from 14 mm in 1905 to 18 mm in 1980 to 41 mm in 2013.
 

trundler

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McGrath would get penetrated too. 80 mph on a length... the ducks in the Trent would be getting peppered.
McGrath was fairly quick for the most part of his career. His accuracy didn't just allow him to bowl consistently outside off-stump at a length but anywhere he wanted to and he accurately bowled in a batsman's weak areas. Plus he could outwit batsmen.
 

Starfighter

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Why isn't it possible? Why aren't there more bowlers capable of McGrath like accuracy? Or bowling Yorkers over and over. It's just practice and all these guys do is play cricket.

Variations aren't always effective, sometimes we see too many variations...especially too many slower balls at times. We see no where near enough Yorkers.
McGrath like accuracy is not all there is to it. You have to adjust length and line all the time. You can't just try a yorker again and again because the batsmen move around. The ridiculous wide rule greatly limits the useful area for a yorker too (I reckon batsmen actually change the way they play to take advantage of the wide rule. There's no way that a wide should be called when the batsmen steps across and it passes where they were standing, as so often happens). And batsmen can predict yorkers and have shots to counteract them. It's hard in practice.

There have been thousands of bowlers but few as accurate as McGrath. If it's so easy why aren't you doing it?
 

Top_Cat

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Fair play to Bairstow, hell of a reinvention especially in the context of such a strong team.
 

trundler

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Why isn't every bowler like the most accurate bowler the world has seen so they can do something about ****** mishits going for sixes
 

Heboric

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I have two choices, continue following this series or start following the Shooting Fish In a Barrel World Championships

This has bee a dire series so far
 

Starfighter

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To give something back to the bowlers, the first step would be to ban the Kookaburra.
The West Indians did that recently, and two test matches were all that it took to make WI look like a good place to play cricket.
Are you talking about the ongoing series?

They stopped using the Kookaburra a while ago actually. The series has been good because the pitches aren't low, slow turning grassless slabs of rolled excreta.
 
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Jack1

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No, they haven't. Just ask them. Matthew Hayden for example says that his pre-2000 bats were far inferior. Ponting thinks bats need to be regulated too. Cricketers have been professional athletes since
the 80s and 90s. Edges go for sixes, what would be a keeper's catch goes for a boundary over his head, etc etc. Plus, the ball doesn't even swing anymore. You are pushing bowlers into a corner with the current ODI rules and expecting them to magically get better. Bowlers have more variation now more than ever, the yorker has been mastered, slower balls and reverse swing have been introduced.
Cricket is definitely professional now and they train the batsman more for power. They understand training more now. Even Rugby hasn't caught on to strength done optimally for that long. It's clear the players are stronger with faster bat speeds now.

Edges have always gone for six, does happen more now because the edges are thicker on a lot of bats. But these players swing harder and faster than ever too.

The ball is different and the 2 new balls thing. I would prefer only Dukes ball in test and more help in ODIs too with the ball. Not the bats, bat type, field restrictions etc though. I think the boundary size is also ok. The batsmen are really good now however and Bairstow's form is obscene right now.

I'm undecided on the bats being better apart from their edges due to personal experience in the past 20 years with several bats
 
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Starfighter

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No, they haven't. Just ask them. Matthew Hayden for example says that his pre-2000 bats were far inferior.
It's actually changed more even since Hayden's time. In 1980 you had pressed bats with the 18 mm edges, the in the late nineties they adopted the modern design with unpressed wood, more profiling and more thickness. It took until 2009 for edges to reach c.30 mm. In 2013 edges were c.40mm. That extra centimetre was added in as little as four years. I have a 2012 Kahuna with 33 mm edges, a teammate of mine bought a bat last year which makes mine look tiny, its edges are over 40 mm and it's much meatier. I started borrowing it regularly, if the outfield is fast you just need a gentle push to get four.
 

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