***Official*** Australia in England 2018

[Mr Miyagi]

Ooops yeah realised after I posted that Plunkett is usually 9. Mad batting line up but think we are a proper bowler short so will be found out in a knockout game in World Cup.

But you have a bonus bowler in Stokes when fit;

Woakes
Plunkett
Willey
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
plus Root is seven options of which 6 are front line. It is actually very smart.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

But you have a bonus bowler in Stokes when fit;

Woakes
Plunkett
Willey
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
plus Root is seven options of which 6 are front line. It is actually very smart.

I think Wood will play instead of Willey when we have a full team to pick from. Think we lack a high quality paceman at the start. We don't have one so no point complaining but it may cost us on the big occasion.

 

[TheJediBrah]

it's not a test match, there's no guarantee the person at 8 faces a ball

some stats post the 2015 World Cup

across all of One Day cricket, the person batting at 8 faces an average of 16 balls an innings. the person batting at 8 for australia faces an average of 14 balls an innings. the person batting at 8 for england faces an average of 19 balls an innings. note that I'm saying innings, a third of the time, England's number 8 hasn't been required to bat. so per match, england's number 8 is facing an average of 13 balls a match.

It's such a non issue. England is in a unique position with an amazing keeper batting at 5/6 and Ben Stokes filling the other spot, and then rolling with two spinners who Can Bat, so their structure works for them (unless they're playing Scotland). if australia ever bats MMarsh or Stonis at 8, the people responsible should fired out of a ****ing cannon. it's such a stupidly conservative thing Paul Ketting should be coming into this thread to lambaste it

Irrelevant. The whole point of lengthening the batting is that it allows you to be more aggressive, and take more risks from the get go. Often as a result you will lose more wickets. Hence your no. 8 will have more to do.

 

[Cow]

England will win the World Cup at a canter (cricket).

 

[Mr Miyagi]

I think Wood will play instead of Willey when we have a full team to pick from. Think we lack a high quality paceman at the start. We don't have one so no point complaining but it may cost us on the big occasion.

Yeah, Willey doesn't bowl out either, so Wood is in the mix, but Willey isn't over just yet.

 

[Borges]

Right. So this is the blue print for Australia:

1. Find one Bairstow.
2. Find one Stokes.
3. Get Warner back (to match the surreal Buttler).
4. Find one/two Moeen Ali and/or Rashid

Just follow this recipe, and you will regain your rightful place in the world order.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Right. So this is the blue print for Australia:

1. Find one Bairstow.
2. Find one Stokes.
3. Get Warner back (to match the surreal Buttler).
4. Find one/two Moeen Ali and/or Rashid

Just follow this recipe, and you will regain your rightful place in the world order.

Wow. This is a first.

 

[Spikey]

Also our number 8 is usually Plunkett who is a great lower order slogger or Willey who is capable and both are front line bowlers well one is and the other attempts to be.

Woakes has filled the position more anyone else, but for this subject Woakes and Plunkett are the same in that they're in England's best attack and Can Bat. So great! That's a natural advantage. Now, just for example, if the bowling ability of Chris Woakes and Jake Ball stayed the same, but their batting ability swapped, and then you started picking Jake Ball over Chris Woakes because Ball Can Bat, that's where you run into issues, because Ball won't be called upon To Bat 25% to 35% of the time, but will need to bowl a lot of overs a lot of the time, so you've just left yourself with a clearly worse bowler for something that a lot of the time won't be a factor. So again to go back to Australia, the idea of MMarsh playing at 8 because we need someone who Can Bat over ATye or something is just stupid. If the bowling is deemed similar (ie Agar vs Lyon) then sure use it as a tiebreaker, but really...

 

[Spikey]

Irrelevant. The whole point of lengthening the batting is that it allows you to be more aggressive, and take more risks from the get go. Often as a result you will lose more wickets. Hence your no. 8 will have more to do.

I understand the philosophy. The philosophy is stupid. These stats point to that. There's a limited amount of balls in the innings which make it nearly pointless. I even included the poster child for this philosophy in the post...

 

[Burgey]

England will win the World Cup at a canter (cricket).

Mate it’s England. Come on.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

England will win the World Cup at a canter (cricket).

On paper we perhaps should, in reality we won't. Look at Champions Trophy.

 

[Starfighter]

England will win the World Cup at a canter (cricket).

Like they won the Champions Trophy?

 

[Mr Miyagi]

On paper we perhaps should, in reality we won't. Look at Champions Trophy.

Doesn't matter if you don't. You're definitely going in with a much better chance than last time should your key players be fit and ready.

England depth is a major concern outside your best XI. Your support players are not the best, Billings has shown stuff all ability and he is the support for Root, Morgan and Buttler.

Hales is not Stokes, but okay for Roy (lose a lot if Bairstow goes though).

Mark Wood is not Chris Woakes.

I have no idea who'd replace Ali, or Rashid.

 

[Burgey]

Played a decent knock for penrith against Parra in the T20 first grade semi iirc

 

[Cow]

We didnt win the CT as the semi-final was played in Wales. A hostile environment. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume.

 

[Starfighter]

Doesn't matter if you don't. You're definitely going in with a much better chance than last time should your key players be fit and ready.

It would be hard to do worse than last time though. It was amazing how much England's ODI cricket improved when they stopped picking Gary Ballance.

England depth is a major concern outside your best XI. Your support players are not the best, Billings has shown stuff all ability.

I think maybe among batsmen around the int'l setup Vince could be worth a go. Surprised that Malan's List A s/r is so bad, as he looked good in the T20s. There may be other options aside from Billings too.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Joe Clarke cough cough

 

[Mr Miyagi]

It would be hard to do worse than last time though. It was amazing how much England's ODI cricket improved when they stopped picking Gary Ballance.


I think maybe among batsmen around the int'l setup Vince could be worth a go. Surprised that Malan's List A s/r is so bad, as he looked good in the T20s. There may be other options aside from Billings too.

England gave Vince and Malan a go in their last t20 series, so they are probably next in line if Billings gets shunt soon.

Malan did well enough.

 

[Cow]

I repeat.. England will win the World Cup. Too many batting weapons.

 

[fredfertang]

I repeat.. England will win the World Cup. Too many batting weapons.

Agreed - with Scotland not there as long as there isn't a bowl out we'll be fine