***Official*** Australia in England 2018

[Burgey]

Mr Miyagi, it’s hardly a revolutionary position to think that by having your best players back it will improve your side.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Mr Miyagi, it’s hardly a revolutionary position to think that by having your best players back it will improve your side.

Of course not.

But it is a head in the sand position to think the same problems weren't there when they were playing.

I'm not here to upset anyone. I'll say goodnight and start scoring faster Australia if you want to win more games and climb the rankings from 5th or more likely 6th after this series.

Ciao.

 

[social]

And what about India in late 2017? What about in Australia in 2018?

If you think all the problems are resolved with a few fancy players back - good luck in the World Cup - it will go like the Champs Trophy 2017 did for Australia against England.

Too slow has been the pattern for Australian ODI games for over a year now. That is why Australia is sliding to 6th.

I'm not trolling you or CA fans. It is how I see it. Teams are out strike rating Australia with the bat regularly.

The last time we took an odi series seriously was the last WC

Every other one is characterised by injury management, experimentation and minimal preparation

Btw, simple solution to s/r is to have Warner, Finch and Maxi in the top 4

I don’t think that we’ll win the next one anyway

 

[Mr Miyagi]

The last time we took an odi series seriously was the last WC

Every other one is characterised by injury management, experimentation and minimal preparation

Btw, simple solution to s/r is to have Warner, Finch and Maxi in the top 4

I don’t think that we’ll win the next one

Finch was part of the problem vs England despite all his runs. He didn't score them quickly enough. Two centuries in the first 2 games, 2 losses. Not enough runs.

1st ODI (D/N), England tour of Australia and New Zealand at Melbourne, Jan 14 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo
2nd ODI (D/N), England tour of Australia and New Zealand at Brisbane, Jan 19 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

This one isn't Finch at all - it is just bizarre besides Paine:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...gland-3rd-odi-eng-tour-of-aus-and-nz-2017-18/

 

[Burgey]

The last time we took an odi series seriously was the last WC

Every other one is characterised by injury management, experimentation and minimal preparation

Btw, simple solution to s/r is to have Warner, Finch and Maxi in the top 4

I don’t think that we’ll win the next one anyway

Nah we’ll win it with a leg in the air.

 

[social]

Finch was part of the problem vs England despite all his runs. He didn't score them quickly enough. Two centuries in the first 2 games, 2 losses. Not enough runs.

1st ODI (D/N), England tour of Australia and New Zealand at Melbourne, Jan 14 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo
2nd ODI (D/N), England tour of Australia and New Zealand at Brisbane, Jan 19 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

This one isn't Finch at all - it is just bizarre besides Paine:

3rd ODI (D/N), England tour of Australia and New Zealand at Sydney, Jan 21 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

Lol

Look at our lineup

Thanks for proving my point

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Mr Miyagi, it’s hardly a revolutionary position to think that by having your best players back it will improve your side.

Even with them in your side you got smashed so hardly improve that much anyway.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Something close to full strength:

Warner
Short
TPC
Memeswell
Arun
MMarsh
Carey
Agar
Starc
Tye
Haze

Cummins there or thereabouts but not really sold on his LO bowling tbh.

Looks about right. Cummins and Stoinis are your other options and probably come in for MMarsh and/or Agar in most conditions IMO.

If we can get away without a specialist spinner that'd be my option. Cummins, Starc, Haze, Tye is a world class attack. Or just pick 3 of them and have an all-rounder (Carey, Stoinis, MMarsh) at 8. As Miyagi suggests if you bat that deep you can get away with 20 overs an innings of Stoinis, MMarsh, Maxwell & Short.

Actual XI? Dunno. I don't care for Australian domestic cricket that much of late. These days I prefer the IPL to the BBL.

But for me the obvious solution to score faster is to risk batting deeper and sacrifice bowling and use the same talented players in Finch, Stoinis, Maxwell and more.

But, Carey for Paine is an obvious try out.

Stoinis and Maxwell getting through overs is an obvious try out.

Zampa aint performing and Agar is getting some runs, but I would be telling them all to score faster.

Finch probably back to opening. Short is an issue, whether it is India he struggles with or spin in general. That needs a resolution.

But I would make sure that I stack the batting to a minimum of 8 with Agar, definitely not 7 like the first odi.

Mitch Marsh when playing has to pull the trigger more. So does Finch. So does Smith.

I'm not an Aussie selector, but we can all see they're not scoring fast enough. So they need to fix it, because their fancy seam attack is not doing a Hasan Ali type win often enough to remain a viable strategy right now.

I think Miyagi's actually pretty much spot on with everything. Except the bolded, because they simply haven't got their "fancy seam attack" together often, if at all, to know if it's a "viable strategy".

Finch was part of the problem vs England despite all his runs. He didn't score them quickly enough. Two centuries in the first 2 games, 2 losses. Not enough runs.

1st ODI (D/N), England tour of Australia and New Zealand at Melbourne, Jan 14 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo
2nd ODI (D/N), England tour of Australia and New Zealand at Brisbane, Jan 19 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

This one isn't Finch at all - it is just bizarre besides Paine:

3rd ODI (D/N), England tour of Australia and New Zealand at Sydney, Jan 21 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

You seem to say "goodnight" a lot and then keep posting

 

[Burgey]

We’ll see come the WC mate. England has had some success beating Australia in series which mean nothing in the past. They did it in 07 a month before the WC too.

Forget it. Don’t waste your dough on your lot. It will always end in tears

Edit: at Flibberty

 

[TheJediBrah]

One of the problems with the bat deep strategy is that I have a feeling that whoever bats at 7 and 8 will whinge about it. Carey will just do it because he's a champ but ask M Marsh or Stoinis to do it and they'll probably crack the ****s. And Langer won't make them anyway because they're WA boys and if they want to bat top 5 then they'll get it, **** the team.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

One of the problems with the bat deep strategy is that I have a feeling that whoever bats at 7 and 8 will whinge about it. Carey will just do it because he's a champ but ask M Marsh or Stoinis to do it and they'll probably crack the ****s. And Langer won't make them anyway because they're WA boys and if they want to bat top 5 then they'll get it, **** the team.

Stoinis scored his 147 at 7, but given he has been one of the higher strikers, I don't think it is daft if he bats higher neither.

For England, the whole bat deep keep striking was for everyone to trust the next batsmen coming in and not worry about getting out in the pursuit of quick runs. Roy, Hales, Stokes, even Morgan if they get a good start just have total licenses to play their hand. They won't get sacked for holing out and a collapse happening after them. There is trust in the strategy and to make it work Woakes at 8 has been called into bat in dire situations of 6 wickets down, and still got the team to past 300 with strong tail support.

For Safrica they all know their roles, QDK, Amla and Faf accumulate (QdK may be a bit aggressive in the first 10) then AbDV, Miller, Morris would go beserk, JP Duminy was like a safety valve at the end if it was all collapsing. Pretorious and their new all rounders like Phelukwayo are keeping the batting deep too.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...land-vs-south-africa-2nd-odi-nz-v-sa-2016-17/

Just look at this ridiuclous team SA played NZ with last year, it has Phelukwayo at 10.

Next game - SA is 6/180: makes 271/8

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...land-vs-south-africa-3rd-odi-nz-v-sa-2016-17/

and NZ was bowled out for just 112.

And SA has more allrounders on the production line.

 

[Spikey]

If we can get away without a specialist spinner that'd be my option. Cummins, Starc, Haze, Tye is a world class attack. Or just pick 3 of them and have an all-rounder (Carey, Stoinis, MMarsh) at 8. As Miyagi suggests if you bat that deep you can get away with 20 overs an innings of Stoinis, MMarsh, Maxwell & Short.

it's not a test match, there's no guarantee the person at 8 faces a ball

 

[Cow]

The cheating scandal has snatched away Australia's testicular fortitude. All this handshaking, lack of sledging and general niceties is at odds against what it is to be an Australian sportsman. They look lost and rudderless, the sooner they get back to the win at all cost grunting bogans the better.

 

[stephen]

Yes I did watch. I saw a guy who struggled to keep up with the SR of the English team. I saw him choke and splutter in the IPL as well last year and take games deep only to lose.

Steve Smith has a SR problem on flat pitches in limited overs cricket. I don't doubt he is a magnificent batting talent with the ability to make huge scores and lots of them. But speed of scoring, that is SR, is a problem for him when things are easy it would appear.

Now he might get you past Pakistan's fearsome bowling attack and weak batting for a win. But what is he going to do when Eng, Ind, SA or even lil old NZ get lucky with a Munro/Guptill bashathon?

Yeah he did so terribly that Pune made the final against all expectations.

If you think Steve Smith has a SR problem in LO cricket you're deluding yourself. Then again, Smith has only won one more World Cup than New Zealand.

 

[Spikey]

some stats post the 2015 World Cup

across all of One Day cricket, the person batting at 8 faces an average of 16 balls an innings. the person batting at 8 for australia faces an average of 14 balls an innings. the person batting at 8 for england faces an average of 19 balls an innings. note that I'm saying innings, a third of the time, England's number 8 hasn't been required to bat. so per match, england's number 8 is facing an average of 13 balls a match.

It's such a non issue. England is in a unique position with an amazing keeper batting at 5/6 and Ben Stokes filling the other spot, and then rolling with two spinners who Can Bat, so their structure works for them (unless they're playing Scotland). if australia ever bats MMarsh or Stonis at 8, the people responsible should fired out of a ****ing cannon. it's such a stupidly conservative thing Paul Ketting should be coming into this thread to lambaste it

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Yeah he did so terribly that Pune made the final against all expectations.

If you think Steve Smith has a SR problem in LO cricket you're deluding yourself. Then again, Smith has only won one more World Cup than New Zealand.

Ahhh - yes the IPL final, remind us how they went:

Pune restrict Mumbai to 129 off 20 overs.

Steve Smith scores a 51 off 50 balls.

And.. Pune lose by 1 run.

Final (N), Indian Premier League at Hyderabad, May 21 2017 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

Sorry I have touched a nerve by suggesting that some Australian batsmen need to score faster, but Australia is #6 in ODI after this series, and it isn't because of the bowlers.

 

[Burgey]

They don’t have any ****ing bowlers playing ODIs.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

some stats post the 2015 World Cup

across all of One Day cricket, the person batting at 8 faces an average of 16 balls an innings. the person batting at 8 for australia faces an average of 14 balls an innings. the person batting at 8 for england faces an average of 19 balls an innings. note that I'm saying innings, a third of the time, England's number 8 hasn't been required to bat. so per match, england's number 8 is facing an average of 13 balls a match.

It's such a non issue. England is in a unique position with an amazing keeper batting at 5/6 and Ben Stokes filling the other spot, and then rolling with two spinners who Can Bat, so their structure works for them (unless they're playing Scotland). if australia ever bats MMarsh or Stonis at 8, the people responsible should fired out of a ****ing cannon. it's such a stupidly conservative thing Paul Ketting should be coming into this thread to lambaste it

Also our number 8 is usually Plunkett who is a great lower order slogger or Willey who is capable and both are front line bowlers well one is and the other attempts to be.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Also our number 8 is usually Plunkett who is a great lower order slogger or Willey who is capable and both are front line bowlers well one is and the other attempts to be.

Actually it is Woakes - who has averaged over 40 there for the past 3 years striking at over 100 including 4 50's and a hs of 95. Willey has been 9, and Plunkett with Rashid the jack.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/247235.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting

Some Woakes game changers:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ngland-3rd-odi-england-tour-of-india-2016-17/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...i-sri-lanka-tour-of-england-and-ireland-2016/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...gland-2nd-odi-eng-tour-of-aus-and-nz-2017-18/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...gland-3rd-odi-eng-tour-of-aus-and-nz-2017-18/

Here's an impressive fail:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...gland-4th-odi-eng-tour-of-aus-and-nz-2017-18/

He gave England a real chance in that game.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Actually it is Woakes - who has averaged over 40 there ffor the past 3 years striking at over 100 including 4 50's and a hs of 95. Willey has been 9, and Plunkett with Rashid the jack.

Ooops yeah realised after I posted that Plunkett is usually 9. Mad batting line up but think we are a proper bowler short so will be found out in a knockout game in World Cup.