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***Official*** Sri Lanka Tour of West Indies 2018

AndyZaltzHair

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41.3.2

A fielder may, however

41.3.2.1 polish the ball on his/her clothing provided that no artificial substance is used and that such polishing wastes no time.

41.3.2.2 remove mud from the ball under the supervision of an umpire.

41.3.2.3 dry a wet ball on a piece of cloth that has been approved by the umpires.


41.3.3 The umpires shall consider the condition of the ball to have been unfairly changed if any action by any player does not comply with the conditions in 41.3.2.

I think ***** is right here that umpires needed to identify that someone tried to alter the condition other than those three criterias to award those penalty runs. They probably forwarded the name(s) already but not made public yet.
 
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Migara said:
Players have strongly refused such claims, and up to now, Sri Lankans have been very truthful about it. There were three occasions they were accused before, but eventually found out it was due to other factors rather than tampering. (Once it was crashing in to the concrete moat of the RPS). That is why I wait for the evidence.

The issue on penalty runs is nothing to do with the support I have. Next time SL might awarded five runs, but the situation is similar. "What if the umpire's judgement was wrong?". For decisions while play we have DRS and 3rd umpire. Since things like tampering is a larger case, there should be room to study the case later. In such context awarding five runs is stupid. Just changing the ball will do.
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If the umpires are wrong they will be punished for it off the field. They get rated after every game and are constantly assessed and graded.

The ICC has not come down on any Sri Lankans yet. There will be an investigation and they will need evidence before any sanctions are made.

The Penalty for tampering is necessary to discourage it. If you just change the ball then that encourages tampering. Not getting anything with the current ball? Start tampering it. Either you get something from it now, or you get it changed for another ball that might do something. Win-win. You need a penalty to make it fair on the batting side.
 
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Plus the umpires have to identify a player to give the 5 run penalty. If they don't know who did it, they will just replace the ball and no penalty will be made

So given this penalty has been made, we should assume that the identity of the player(s) involved just hasn't been made public yet.
 
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***** said:
You troll, but there is a serious problems in SC culture where people don't understand how to follow Laws. Laws are Guidelines to be argued and debated with in their eyes. No decision is final, everything can be negotiated, to accuse me of being wrong is to insult my character as a person, and punish me for breaking a rule is akin to spitting in my face. If you respect someone you never hold them accountable for their actions and you don't enforce the laws that are clearly written down in black and white that we all agreed to abide to. Anytime I've been punished for doing something wrong, I am the victim, because if you liked me and we're my friend you wouldn't have punished me. Because that's the subcontinental way.

Its a huge problem and quite frustrating to deal with. And now the Sri Lankans can't seem to accept a default stance of 'thess umpires are highly qualified, highly experienced and unbiased - let's just assume they know what they're talking about and be upset that our team put up so much drama's. No. Because in the SC when you get punished the first thing you do is debate the punishment instead of accepting that you might be wrong.
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That's hardly something endemic to Asian culture (as if there is even such a thing, with the amount of diversity).

You have Donald Trump as proof that if you lie and deny the facts hard enough, it doesn't really matter what the facts are.
 
Migara

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***** said:
If the umpires are wrong they will be punished for it off the field. They get rated after every game and are constantly assessed and graded.

The ICC has not come down on any Sri Lankans yet. There will be an investigation and they will need evidence before any sanctions are made.

The Penalty for tampering is necessary to discourage it. If you just change the ball then that encourages tampering. Not getting anything with the current ball? Start tampering it. Either you get something from it now, or you get it changed for another ball that might do something. Win-win. You need a penalty to make it fair on the batting side.
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But one problem. You may get banned for next few test. If you really want to discourage, give a fifty run penalty, why five? The five run penalty is stupid, because once it is handed, it changes the condition of the game completely. If the ball has actually not been tampered (and if umpires were wrong) there is no way to review the decision.
 
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It's 5 runs. Don't lose grip of reality here. A tiny tiny fraction of games are ever decided by margins as small as that. Plus every single decision the umpires make on the field 'changes the condition of the game completely'. DRS isn't foolproof, we've seen plenty of incorrect decisions slip through the cracks. We've also seen incorrect application the laws in certain situations before - such as if one of those jumping-over-the-rope fielding efforts should actually be a boundary or not. Tampering the ball changes to condition of the game too, and 5 runs isn't such a life shattering, momentum shifting event that cannot be recovered from.

And like I said, there are people who have spent their whole lives umpiring, officiating, playing and studying the game who have spent countless hours thinking over these laws, and have had multiple discussions on how to update and improve them. Have you ever read the MCC musings on the laws? Did you know there was an entire blog section on the MCC website dedicated to discussing these intricacies? Maybe have some faith that they've considered this and all possible options and there thought out, reasoned approach has determined that a 5 run penalty is probably a good as any other alternative. If you genuinely think you have a better solution, write it up and send it in to the MCC for consideration.

Finally, if the umpires are wrong, they will be penalised off the field.
 
Heboric

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Burgey said:
But it’s a recurring theme. India threatens to go home after Sydney. Pakistan forfeits vs England. SL do this, and also the disgraceful Ranatunga walk off in Adelaide in the late 90s. Gavaskar in Melbourne in the early 80s. Bedi forfeits an innings on the WI in the 70s when things got a bit too tough. It’s dummy spit a-go-go.

If you want to carry on like that, go and sign a contract with Boca Juniors and act like a Prima Donna.
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There was this as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Denness_and_Indian_cricket_team_incident

All I am saying is, maybe it is a good thing Rugby Union is not popular in the sub-continent. That sport is rife with questionable decisions made by officials. Cricket is pretty good in that regard, especially these days.
 
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Migara said:
But one problem. You may get banned for next few test. If you really want to discourage, give a fifty run penalty, why five? The five run penalty is stupid, because once it is handed, it changes the condition of the game completely. If the ball has actually not been tampered (and if umpires were wrong) there is no way to review the decision.
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Like, I know I already replied to this, but I have to reply again to point out that you have simultaneously insinuated that the 5 run penalty is meaningless, yet claimed it has somehow irreversibly changed the condition of the game and thus it shouldn't exists without a review system to allow for it to be removed.

Its either meaningless as a deterrent or it actually holds some weight to the point that it accomplishes what it sets out to do. Pick 1.
 
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Oh, so they did do it then. Cheating Lankans.

We await the apology from the gobshite on here then for daring to say they had been cheating. Be waiting a while then.
 
Starfighter

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The test seems fairly even at the moment. Even if they don't throw their toys out of the pram as they traditionally do I wonder if this might take the wind out of their sails.
 
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The Sri Lankan players were advised by their cricket board to take the field in order to "ensure the continuity of the match", and praised the decision taken by the team to uphold the spirit of the game.

SLC also assured the team that they "shall take all necessary steps to defend any player, in the event any unwarranted allegation is brought against a member of the team."
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Yea guys, good job taking the field after first tampering the ball* and then protesting that you did it for 2 hours. Really upholding the spirit of the game there

Also great to see that SLC's default stance is 'We didn't do anything!' instead of, y'know, being concerned that their players have been called up for ball tampering.


*in all fairness this still has to be proven
 
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Borges said:
Chandimal has been charged as the guilty party. Apparently, there is some video evidence: "ESPNcricinfo understands that the umpires had laid their charge after reviewing footage of the second day's play, and finding evidence pointing to the application of a substance to the ball."
Chandimal charged with changing the condition of the ball - ESPNcricinfo
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I find that hard to believe. Just months after the biggest ball-tampering scandal in the history of the game and you're stupid enough to risk it already? Surely not
 
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