***Official*** Australia in England 2018

[Spikey]

the mystery of why old and not very good OD bowlers don't get picked has indeed troubled me

 

[Mr Miyagi]

the mystery of why old and not very good OD bowlers don't get picked has indeed troubled me

Well Willey's swing with the new ball isn't because he bowls swing better than Jimmy Anderson.

They have hopes he swings something else better too one day cos it ain't the ball.

And limited overs is typically a far more fruitful ground for old and infirm than the rigors of 5 day tests regardless.

 

[Spikey]

and i think david willey's 0 for 40 off 7 overs and 11 was probably the difference between the two teams yesterday

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well 0 for 40 off 7 was far better than the match average tbf

 

[Mr Miyagi]

and i think david willey's 0 for 40 off 7 overs and 11 was probably the difference between the two teams yesterday

Well yeah, he doesn't bowl out, its not his job too (read my posts back) - but if you're just trying to troll me; look at his 1 - 41 (off 8 overs) and 35* in the first game where England won by 3 wickets.

You can diss Willey as a cricketer all you like, noone thinks he is an ATG in the making, but England is now 6-1 vs Australia this year now and Willey has played in 3 of them. So is Willey the difference between the two sides, or just indicative of it? Because I am not saying England is man for man better than Australia, but as a team, they have Australia beat right now. Smith, Warner, Finch, Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Stoinis, Tye notwithstanding.

So what is the solution for Australia? Cos right now, despite excellent cricketers, England is embarrassing your team repeatedly, and its not just Buttler.

 

[Spikey]

not everyone got to bowl to Short tbf

 

[Spikey]

Well yeah, he doesn't bowl out, its not his job too (read my posts back) - but if you're just trying to troll me; look at his 1 - 41 (off 8 overs) and 35* in the first game where England won by 3 wickets.

You can diss Willey as a cricket all you like, but England is now 6-1 vs Australia and Willey has played them all. So is Willey the difference between the two sides, or just indicative of it? Because I am not saying England is man for man better than Australia, but as a team, they have Australia beat right now. Smith, Warner, Finch, Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Stoinis notwithstanding.

So what is the solution for Australia?

hmmmmm

edit ah i see your weirdly wrong statement has been changed

 

[Mr Miyagi]

hmmmmm

edit ah i see your weirdly wrong statement has been changed

Well of course. I don't try to make errors.

If you want to debate the issues do so.

If you want to use ad hominem - be my guest. It won't solve Australia's cricket problem with sr even if it makes you feel better.

The choice is yours.

 

[Spikey]

australa needs to work out what they want to do with their middle order and how they want to structure it and what not. this is partly why i don't mind Arun Finch being moved to 5 although Short isn't the first opener that pops into my mind to replace him. I note that my original post on this matter was in regards to Ashton Agar and his role which i don't see as being part of any solution.

 

[Spikey]

although picking someone who averages 46 to be the new ball bowler does appeal to me

 

[Mr Miyagi]

although picking someone who averages 46 to be the new ball bowler does appeal to me

Australia is going to be ranked 6th after this series, it probably is time to think outside the square before Australia slide much more.

 

[Daemon]

Mr Miyagi, what's your solution btw? Like what is the actual XI you'd pick?

 

[Burgey]

Something close to full strength:

Warner
Short
TPC
Memeswell
Arun
MMarsh
Carey
Agar
Starc
Tye
Haze

Cummins there or thereabouts but not really sold on his LO bowling tbh.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Mr Miyagi, what's your solution btw? Like what is the actual XI you'd pick?

Actual XI? Dunno. I don't care for Australian domestic cricket that much of late. These days I prefer the IPL to the BBL.

But for me the obvious solution to score faster is to risk batting deeper and sacrifice bowling and use the same talented players in Finch, Stoinis, Maxwell and more.

But, Carey for Paine is an obvious try out.

Stoinis and Maxwell getting through overs is an obvious try out.

Zampa aint performing and Agar is getting some runs, but I would be telling them all to score faster.

Finch probably back to opening. Short is an issue, whether it is India he struggles with or spin in general. That needs a resolution.

But I would make sure that I stack the batting to a minimum of 8 with Agar, definitely not 7 like the first odi.

Mitch Marsh when playing has to pull the trigger more. So does Finch. So does Smith.

I'm not an Aussie selector, but we can all see they're not scoring fast enough. So they need to fix it, because their fancy seam attack is not doing a Hasan Ali type win often enough to remain a viable strategy right now.

 

[cnerd123]

Mr Miyagi: Your playing the wrong XI, you've got the wrong players, you need solutions, your ODI cricket is weak

Also Mr Miyagi: Lol idk what XI you should play I don't follow Australian cricket, you kid

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Mr Miyagi: Your playing the wrong XI, you've got the wrong players, you need solutions, your ODI cricket is weak

Also Mr Miyagi: Lol idk what XI you should play I don't follow Australian cricket, you kid

Pretty much, I'm here to diagnose the problems with Australian ODI cricket, not suggest solutions.

I seriously know more about the Indian domestic cricket scene than Australian scene these days.

 

[social]

Well yeah, he doesn't bowl out, its not his job too (read my posts back) - but if you're just trying to troll me; look at his 1 - 41 (off 8 overs) and 35* in the first game where England won by 3 wickets.

You can diss Willey as a cricketer all you like, noone thinks he is an ATG in the making, but England is now 6-1 vs Australia this year now and Willey has played in 3 of them. So is Willey the difference between the two sides, or just indicative of it? Because I am not saying England is man for man better than Australia, but as a team, they have Australia beat right now. Smith, Warner, Finch, Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Stoinis, Tye notwithstanding.

So what is the solution for Australia? Cos right now, despite excellent cricketers, England is embarrassing your team repeatedly, and its not just Buttler.

Oh please, anyone who thought that this series was going to be competitive is delusional and barring injuries, Australia will field a radically different lineup in the WC

The team has been devastated by injury/unavailability, we have a new coach with his own biases, the captain is a stopgap who doesn’t merit a place and the selectors are already experimenting with a flawed & unbalanced squad

It’s a perfect storm

 

[Daemon]

Something close to full strength:

Warner
Short
TPC
Memeswell
Arun
MMarsh
Carey
Agar
Starc
Tye
Haze

Cummins there or thereabouts but not really sold on his LO bowling tbh.

Interesting tactic to drop Stoinis

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Oh please, anyone who thought that this series was going to be competitive is delusional and barring injuries, Australia will field a radically different lineup in the WC

The team has been devastated by injury/unavailability, we have a new coach with his own biases, the captain is a stopgap who doesn’t merit a place and the selectors are already experimenting with a flawed & unbalanced squad

It’s a perfect storm

And what about India in late 2017? What about in Australia in 2018?

If you think all the problems are resolved with a few fancy players back - good luck in the World Cup - it will go like the Champs Trophy 2017 did for Australia against England.

Too slow has been the pattern for Australian ODI games for over a year now. That is why Australia is sliding to 6th.

I'm not trolling you or CA fans. It is how I see it. Teams are out strike rating Australia with the bat regularly.

 

[Burgey]

Interesting tactic to drop Stoinis

Oh yeah forgot him.