***Official*** Indian Premier League 2018

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Yeah, Pakistan's Test attack is average and Yasir Shah carries it most of the time. In ODIs, you could make an argument for them, but in Tests, India's attack is certainly better.

 

[Shri]

Oh not this again. **** off.

Forget meat, nutrition standards all over the country have become so much better since the 90s and it shows. The emphasis placed on fitness by captains like Dhoni and Kohli also has to have helped somewhat. We might never make 160 Kmph bowlers ever but you only need to bowl consistently at around 145 Kmph to be competitive and hurry batsmen on helpful tracks. Its about control at that speed more than anything.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Yeah, Pakistan's Test attack is average and Yasir Shah carries it most of the time. In ODIs, you could make an argument for them, but in Tests, India's attack is certainly better.

The issue was not better. It is who has the most 140+ bowlers.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah, Pakistan's Test attack is average and Yasir Shah carries it most of the time. In ODIs, you could make an argument for them, but in Tests, India's attack is certainly better.

I meant that Pakistan do not have faster bowlers than India

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Pakistan most definitely does not.

Of course, if we're talking FC then India only has Shami/Yadav/Aaron/Bumrah who can keep the pace up throughout a game. I believe Kaul stays quick throughout the day but I'm not entirely sure about that.

Who do SA/Aus have? Not familiar with their domestic bowlers.

I'm glad you're so definte. I'm not personally. Amir, Riaz, Hasan Ali, Junaid Khan just off the top of my head. How fast is Raees?

The last time I saw that pie chucker Sami in 2016 he was still well over 140 and comfortably wind up to nearer 150 too. Irfan aint retired yet neither.

Every time I blink they're releasing or talking about some new fast bowler, most of them pie chuckers admittedly, but pacey.

 

[Daemon]

Pretty much none of the guys you mentioned operate in the 140s in test matches for longish periods though, which is what I thought you were talking about initially.

If we're talking LO then there's obviously a lot more from both sides of the border.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Pretty much none of the guys you mentioned operate in the 140s in test matches for longish periods though, which is what I thought you were talking about initially.

If we're talking LO then there's obviously a lot more from both sides of the border.

It is what I'm talking about.

 

[Daemon]

Then you are wrong and I will hear nothing more on the topic.

Once again an emphatic win for Daemon.

 

[Athlai]

Then you are wrong and I will hear nothing more on the topic.

Once again an emphatic win for Daemon.

What do you believe speed guns in the IPL?

Next you’ll tell me you believe in Santa Claus or Jeet Raval.

 

[Expo]

Good win for Chennai Super Dooper Kings

There are huge possibilities for CSK to win the IPL-2018.

 

[Expo]

I don't think Chennai will win the tournament, they're steady and qualify every time, but they will lose in the knockouts to a team with more firepower like KKR or KXIP.

KKR can knockout CSK in playoff. But KXIP cannot do that. Luck always betrayed with KXIP.

 

[Daemon]

Buttler celebrating his test selction with 28 in an over

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

I dont know why I feel so god awful when narine connects everytime. Gross

 

[91Jmay]

Jos let down by his teammates a tad. They put a load of pressure on him and starved him of strike a bit.

 

[Daemon]

Jos let down by his teammates a tad. They put a load of pressure on him and starved him of strike a bit.

Yeah Rahane played a proper momentum sucking innings there. He's having his worst season yet I believe.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Oh not this again. **** off.

Forget meat, nutrition standards all over the country have become so much better since the 90s and it shows. The emphasis placed on fitness by captains like Dhoni and Kohli also has to have helped somewhat. We might never make 160 Kmph bowlers ever but you only need to bowl consistently at around 145 Kmph to be competitive and hurry batsmen on helpful tracks. Its about control at that speed more than anything.

Never say never. Walk into a decent gym in India today and you'd be surprised at just how athletic and explosively strong Indian youngsters have become. I'm not talking old fashioned meathead culture either; rather sports-specific training and nutrition has entered mainstream Indian culture in a really big way these last five years.

 

[cnerd123]

Athletic youngsters in the gym don't suddenly become elite Fast Bowlers tho. That's never how it's worked.

Fast bowlers are identified at a young age, through youth cricket programmes, and then nurtured and groomed. The biggest feature of 'The Wheel' era was how we'd get these raw prospects who had somehow made it all the way to Ranji/U-19 cricket, and then completely ruin them once they made the national side. That to me is probably where the biggest improvements have been made - in protecting and nurturing the fast bowling talent we find. Not just at national level, but clearly all the way down through domestic/youth levels too.

I'd challenge that any half decent cricket coach already knew the important of diet and fitness, that this recently cultural shift in India hasn't affected them as much as you guys think.

My speculation, and I'm basing this of no evidence whatsoever, is that there has been a concentrated effort in Indian Cricket to identify, groom and protect young fast bowling talents over the last 5-10 years. An initiative that started with the MRF academy has now seeped into grassroots cricket, where coaches probably now understand not to push their young exciting fast bowlers too hard, to allow them to bowl short erratic spells, and to focus on bowling pace with a clean, repeatable action. A shift from the short-term focus on economy rate and wickets to a long-term focus on building a finished product. They also are probably looking for pace in young quicks a lot more than they used to, and perhaps junior level cricket has less strenuous schedules now, allowing young fast bowlers plenty of rest between games. Maybe the BCCI has also recently adopted rules about how many overs a young fast bowler can bowl per spell/day in BCCI sanctioned competitions in order to prevent them from breaking down.

Whatever it is, it's definitely more than just kids eating better and hitting the gym IMO.

 

[Borges]

As far as I can make out, these guys are probably eating oodles of whey protein concentrate.
Walk into any store these days and one would find rack-fulls of this stuff - in large containers, with specially designed labels to intimidate wimps like me.

 

[Senile Sentry]

Athletic youngsters in the gym don't suddenly become elite Fast Bowlers tho. That's never how it's worked.

Fast bowlers are identified at a young age, through youth cricket programmes, and then nurtured and groomed. The biggest feature of 'The Wheel' era was how we'd get these raw prospects who had somehow made it all the way to Ranji/U-19 cricket, and then completely ruin them once they made the national side. That to me is probably where the biggest improvements have been made - in protecting and nurturing the fast bowling talent we find. Not just at national level, but clearly all the way down through domestic/youth levels too.

I'd challenge that any half decent cricket coach already knew the important of diet and fitness, that this recently cultural shift in India hasn't affected them as much as you guys think.

My speculation, and I'm basing this of no evidence whatsoever, is that there has been a concentrated effort in Indian Cricket to identify, groom and protect young fast bowling talents over the last 5-10 years. An initiative that started with the MRF academy has now seeped into grassroots cricket, where coaches probably now understand not to push their young exciting fast bowlers too hard, to allow them to bowl short erratic spells, and to focus on bowling pace with a clean, repeatable action. A shift from the short-term focus on economy rate and wickets to a long-term focus on building a finished product. They also are probably looking for pace in young quicks a lot more than they used to, and perhaps junior level cricket has less strenuous schedules now, allowing young fast bowlers plenty of rest between games. Maybe the BCCI has also recently adopted rules about how many overs a young fast bowler can bowl per spell/day in BCCI sanctioned competitions in order to prevent them from breaking down.

Whatever it is, it's definitely more than just kids eating better and hitting the gym IMO.

Workload management and overall planning also requires a citation. Bhuvaneshwar Kumar being the biggest beneficiary of late. A guy who actually managed to crank up his pace after a few years in the Indian team. Usually its the other way around.

 

[Daemon]

Athletic youngsters in the gym don't suddenly become elite Fast Bowlers tho. That's never how it's worked.

Fast bowlers are identified at a young age, through youth cricket programmes, and then nurtured and groomed. The biggest feature of 'The Wheel' era was how we'd get these raw prospects who had somehow made it all the way to Ranji/U-19 cricket, and then completely ruin them once they made the national side. That to me is probably where the biggest improvements have been made - in protecting and nurturing the fast bowling talent we find. Not just at national level, but clearly all the way down through domestic/youth levels too.

I'd challenge that any half decent cricket coach already knew the important of diet and fitness, that this recently cultural shift in India hasn't affected them as much as you guys think.

My speculation, and I'm basing this of no evidence whatsoever, is that there has been a concentrated effort in Indian Cricket to identify, groom and protect young fast bowling talents over the last 5-10 years. An initiative that started with the MRF academy has now seeped into grassroots cricket, where coaches probably now understand not to push their young exciting fast bowlers too hard, to allow them to bowl short erratic spells, and to focus on bowling pace with a clean, repeatable action. A shift from the short-term focus on economy rate and wickets to a long-term focus on building a finished product. They also are probably looking for pace in young quicks a lot more than they used to, and perhaps junior level cricket has less strenuous schedules now, allowing young fast bowlers plenty of rest between games. Maybe the BCCI has also recently adopted rules about how many overs a young fast bowler can bowl per spell/day in BCCI sanctioned competitions in order to prevent them from breaking down.

Whatever it is, it's definitely more than just kids eating better and hitting the gym IMO.

Yeah this to me seems the most significant reason, but I'm sure the importance of diet and fitness has been elevated in the perception of budding cricketers, which does play a small part when it comes to looking after your own body.

The example of kids in gyms is just to show a general shift in the perception of fitness among Indians.

Another thing I've heard based on anecdotes, academies used to be notorious for crap nutrition but they're much better these days. Coaches don't peddle dumb myths like eating an almond every morning with milk and haldi will cure cancer etc.