Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

[StephenZA]

i'll regret asking won't i?

Please don't ask for the rest of our sakes....

 

[jimmy101]

To be honest I don't think the first sentiment lasted more than a day. Once so many politicians started ranting about it, I think people here picked up the torches-and-pitchforks vibe pretty quick.

Exactly. Turnbull included. Not to mention the radio personalities who have treated this like a joke. Deeply embarrassing.

 

[Groundking]

That was grim watching, Smith looks like a broken man. I don't think the punishment is over the top, but the vitriol surrounding the controversey has been completely over the top IMO.

 

[Gob]

The fact that Faf, on the receiving end of the tampering can come forward in support after such a bad-blooded series speaks volumes for the level of injustice in the ban. Faf probably hated the guy before the tampering went down.

Think they know each other. IPL stuff

 

[Johnners]

You don't have to have it under all the bandages, just under one finger, which you rub the rough side with while polishing....

What i said still applies. If it's anywhere on his hands, the moment he fields a ball that's travelling at any sort of reasonable velocity he has no control over damaging the wrong side of it.

 

[stephen]

i'll regret asking won't i?

They called a hospital when the prince was born and conned a nurse into revealing sensitive information. She ended up committing suicide.

 

[NotMcKenzie]

Jarred Kimber has an article on Crucinfo, basically noting how this really goes down to the roots of cricket. I'll add that tolerance of some level of tampering in the past probably helped make you-know-who more sure of getting away with it.



His ending has something to it:

For ball-tampering, you get at most a one-match suspension. For repeatedly trying to lie and cover up your ball tampering, you get a one-year ban from your board, but if you have failed to notice tampering for generations, you get to be the person who hands out the bans and keeps their job.

 

[Spark]

They called a hospital when the prince was born and conned a nurse into revealing sensitive information. She ended up committing suicide.

I had this in mind at first too but now I feel that might have been someone else?

Definitely a Sydney radio host as well though

 

[stephen]

Kyle and Jacqui O are grade A scum. They're the worst of the worst and should have their mouths sealed shut for the good of society.

But that's what we get having freedom of speech and I'm glad that they have the freedoms they do.

 

[NotMcKenzie]

They called a hospital when the prince was born and conned a nurse into revealing sensitive information. She ended up committing suicide.

I thought that was some other d—headed radio hacks—oh sorry, 'personalities'— who did that.



I'll note here that lots of these people—not all on radio either—do really love being cruel to people who haven't done a thing to deserve being mocked.

 

[StephenZA]

What i said still applies. If it's anywhere on his hands, the moment he fields a ball that's travelling at any sort of reasonable velocity he has no control over damaging the wrong side of it.

But that is like arguing about when they bounce the ball in to wicketkeeper or bowl cross-seamer to do the same thing, need to get it right through practise... is he has it on his hand he can control to a large extent where the ball is hitting even if it is not perfect every time.

I'm not saying that he did or has done it that way, just not inconceivable.....

 

[social]

Yeah, someone else

Kyle is a complete turd and Jackie a waste of oxygen doe

 

[Gnske]

ABC Classic FM would never let that fly

 

[Starfighter]

But that is like arguing about when they bounce the ball in to wicketkeeper or bowl cross-seamer to do the same thing, need to get it right through practise... is he has it on his hand he can control to a large extent where the ball is hitting even if it is not perfect every time.

Throwing the ball into the pitch is different. You have control over its orientation. You have no control over that when receiving it. And if you need to dive or run after the ball you're probably not gathering it in a very controlled manner.

 

[jimmy101]

It was quite annoying to hear Mick Molloy crack jokes about on it on radio today. I absolutely loathe when these halfwits who don't even care about cricket all of a sudden think they've got an opinion worth hearing about just cause it's in the news & their directors are egging them on.

 

[vic_orthdox]

How so?

I agree that it probably was and that Warner was doing it, but the fact that it was sandpaper really doesn't mean anything.

My thing about the yellow tape was that it was such a bad idea that they couldn't have been getting away for it very long, so it's more likely to be impulsive. Sandpaper is more effective, and is more likely to be around the rooms and known as a method to play funny buggers. It makes it less likely that it's the first time that it's been done than when it was "yellow tape with dirt stuck on".

Yeah, thirty years ago. I don't know if anyone at Test level really does this anymore given the rate they go through bats and the fact that they're all custom made.

Yeah I don't think they're taped but I don't think they need to sand them either. I think they more or less just use them until they can find any reason to swap them and then demand a new one. Someone like Jack might know more.

It's more bat maintenance than anything else. Most of the bats have always been custom made, but especially when they are away they need to be doing some repairs etc. They'll use the extratec/bat covers but often need to shave off the stickiness to do anything effective with it.

Another thing is that sometimes players will get their hands on a bat from another maker and then need to get their own stickers onto it. They need to sand down the areas where the stickers were to get the "shadows" of the old stickers off.

There'll be a player or two, a bat doctor/bat nuffie who'll have a supply in most teams I'd imagine.

 

[StephenZA]

It's more bat maintenance than anything else. Most of the bats have always been custom made, but especially when they are away they need to be doing some repairs etc. They'll use the extratec/bat covers but often need to shave off the stickiness to do anything effective with it.

Another thing is that sometimes players will get their hands on a bat from another maker and then need to get their own stickers onto it. They need to sand down the areas where the stickers were to get the "shadows" of the old stickers off.

There'll be a player or two, a bat doctor/bat nuffie who'll have a supply in most teams I'd imagine.

That answers my question from yesterday....

 

[social]

That answers my question from yesterday....

Sandpaper was always around back in the day

I actually played with a guy who had previously covered the face of his bat with it!

That was in the days when bat repairers used to cover the face with pigskin as a means of repair so not as crazy as it seems

 

[vic_orthdox]

What i said still applies. If it's anywhere on his hands, the moment he fields a ball that's travelling at any sort of reasonable velocity he has no control over damaging the wrong side of it.

Tuck it under a loose part between finger and thumb, pull it out slightly when you want to tamper with it. Not that hard.

 

[StephenZA]

Sandpaper was always around back in the day

I actually played with a guy who had previously covered the face of his bat with it!

That was in the days when bat repairers used to cover the face with pigskin as a means of repair so not as crazy as it seems

My question was more about the modern dressing room having and needing sandpaper.... knew it was common back in the day.