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Hypocrisy of the "Hard but Fair" Bunch

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
Shocked at the read about Allan Border. He was up there with the greatest Aussie cricketers for me. Shattering tbh.

I hope AB genuinely regrets that now.

And I hope the staff here would issue some sanctions against the poster who served up some imbecile racism (laughable really at the usage in it ).
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Is it acceptable for moderators to start threads like this, that cast aspersions on one of the cricketing nations and are obviously going to end in racial flame wars between members?

Seriously?

I thought the job of moderators was to unhold the "forum atmosphere".

This is ****ing pathetic from harsh.ag.
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Yay let's shoot the messenger. Uncomfortable truths require discussion too.
Bullshit. This thread is nothing but an attempt to troll Australian posters at a time when there is a lot going on emotionally by bringing up an incident that happened about 40 years ago.

Guess this'd be an ok time to start a thread that says "2/3s of the players charged with match fixing come from the subcontinent"? Or should I wait until there's a bit of a scandal in the Indian team and emotions are heightened?

****ing laughable.
 

Burgey

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No discussion of 70s and 80s cricketing icons doing **** things should exclude Sunny’s book on the 76 India tour to the West Indies where he described the locals as a bunch of monkeys.

That episode is, of course, proof that India is crap and a pack of bigots forty years later. Or something.
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
Bullshit. This thread is nothing but an attempt to troll Australian posters at a time when there is a lot going on emotionally by bringing up an incident that happened about 40 years ago.

Guess this'd be an ok time to start a thread that says "2/3s of the players charged with match fixing come from the subcontinent"? Or should I wait until there's a bit of a scandal in the Indian team and emotions are heightened?

****ing laughable.
Australia is a cricketing team. The subcontinent is not.
 

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
AB will doubtless blame his ghost, and to be fair he'd be far from the first sportsman not to have read a word of his autobiography
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
No discussion of 70s and 80s cricketing icons doing **** things should exclude Sunny’s book on the 76 India tour to the West Indies where he described the locals as a bunch of monkeys.

That episode is, of course, proof that India is crap and a pack of bigots forty years later. Or something.
This too is news for me. Care to provide any links ?
 

Burgey

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This from a cricinfo article quoting his 1976 autobiography:

Which brings us back to Gavaskar. Because all this "monkey" talk can't help but remind the cricket bibliophile of the chapter in Gavaskar's autobiography Sunny Days (1976) in which he recounts the blood-spattered Kingston Test of 1976 where Bishan Bedi famously declared his innings closed rather than risk further injury for his batsmen from the West Indian pace enfilade. Here's a sample:

To call the crowd a 'crowd' in Jamaica is a misnomer. It should be called a 'mob'. The way they shrieked and howled every time Holding bowled was positively horrible. They encouraged him with shouts of 'Kill him, Maaaan!' 'Hit im Maan!', 'Knock his head off Mike!' All this proved beyond a shadow of doubt that these people still belonged to the jungles and forests, instead of a civilised country....
Their partisan attitude was even more evident when they did not applaud any shots we played. At one stage I even 'demanded' claps for a boundary shot off Daniel. All I got was laughter from the section, which certainly hadn't graduated from the trees where they belonged....

They were stamping their legs, clapping and jumping with joy. The only word I can think of to describe the behaviour of the crowd is 'barbarian'. Here was a man seriously injured, and these barbarians were thirsting for more blood, instead of expressing sympathy, as any civilised and sporting crowd would have done....

The whole thing was sickening. Never have I seen such cold-blooded and positively indifferent behaviour from cricket officials and the spectators, to put it mildly, were positively inhuman.
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
This from a cricinfo article quoting his 1976 autobiography:

Which brings us back to Gavaskar. Because all this "monkey" talk can't help but remind the cricket bibliophile of the chapter in Gavaskar's autobiography Sunny Days (1976) in which he recounts the blood-spattered Kingston Test of 1976 where Bishan Bedi famously declared his innings closed rather than risk further injury for his batsmen from the West Indian pace enfilade. Here's a sample:

To call the crowd a 'crowd' in Jamaica is a misnomer. It should be called a 'mob'. The way they shrieked and howled every time Holding bowled was positively horrible. They encouraged him with shouts of 'Kill him, Maaaan!' 'Hit im Maan!', 'Knock his head off Mike!' All this proved beyond a shadow of doubt that these people still belonged to the jungles and forests, instead of a civilised country....
Their partisan attitude was even more evident when they did not applaud any shots we played. At one stage I even 'demanded' claps for a boundary shot off Daniel. All I got was laughter from the section, which certainly hadn't graduated from the trees where they belonged....

They were stamping their legs, clapping and jumping with joy. The only word I can think of to describe the behaviour of the crowd is 'barbarian'. Here was a man seriously injured, and these barbarians were thirsting for more blood, instead of expressing sympathy, as any civilised and sporting crowd would have done....

The whole thing was sickening. Never have I seen such cold-blooded and positively indifferent behaviour from cricket officials and the spectators, to put it mildly, were positively inhuman.
Thanks mate. A further affirmation of the clown and despicable individual that Gavaskar is.
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
No discussion of 70s and 80s cricketing icons doing **** things should exclude Sunny’s book on the 76 India tour to the West Indies where he described the locals as a bunch of monkeys.

That episode is, of course, proof that India is crap and a pack of bigots forty years later. Or something.
This too is news for me. Care to provide any links ?
Burgey is right. Gavaskar's terribly racist side is evident in that paragraph.
 

Red

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Australia is a cricketing team. The subcontinent is not.
Way to miss my entire point.

Ok then, India have had six players banned for match fixing in international cricket. Australia have had none banned. Ever.
 

Burgey

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I guess what it shows is that even icons are human and some have ****** sides to them or have said and done ****** things.

I don’t think you should read everything gavasakar or Border say in 2018 and respond with “well in 1976/79/85 you said this....”. We’re talking 30-40 years ago. People change, they grow up and mature.

That’s not excusing what either said or did. It’s just a fact. You’d hope in 20-30 years time Smith looks back on this and realises what a Grade A pillock he was.

That doesn’t mean if he makes a comment on something in the game 25 years from now it should be automatically disregarded. Likewise with these two blokes now.

I think a healthy dose of scepticism wrt the comments of all former players and journos is a good attitude to take, but I don’t think we can just disregard their views on current issues because they said or did something **** 40 years ago. You’d hope they’ve grown up and realised what they said and did was ****ed up.
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
Way to miss my entire point.

Ok then, India have had six players banned for match fixing in international cricket. Australia have had none banned. Ever.
It's actually credit to the Indian system that however influential or high strung the accused were, they were banned. Unlike how ACB hushed up Warne and Waugh matter with John the bookie. So no moral high ground there as well mate.

And more to the point India never really tried to exhort other teams to take it as an example and preach stuff like hard but fair cricket and all that.
 

Burgey

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Hypocrisy is the human condition. The fact australia is being called out on it now is a good thing. Everyone should be.

I can’t sit here and defend what Smith did here or Border did in 79 while bagging Kumble for his spirit of cricket bullshit in 08 which was six weeks after he gave MoYo one of the worst sledges then send offs you could wish to see. And vice versa.

It’s Burge’s first law: when push comes to shove, people are pricks.
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
I don't disagree with you Burgey but their acts still don't change and is descriptive of the era and the behaviours they exhibited in their peak cricketing ages. The more appalling thing is that they managed to get away with such stuff and now are donning the garbs of respected people and role models which they shouldn't be.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Way to miss my entire point.

Ok then, India have had six players banned for match fixing in international cricket. Australia have had none banned. Ever.
Jesus, is it really that hard for you to accept your boys have ****ed up once too often?
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
I guess what it shows is that even icons are human and some have ****** sides to them or have said and done ****** things.

I don’t think you should read everything gavasakar or Border say in 2018 and respond with “well in 1976/79/85 you said this....”. We’re talking 30-40 years ago. People change, they grow up and mature.

That’s not excusing what either said or did. It’s just a fact. You’d hope in 20-30 years time Smith looks back on this and realises what a Grade A pillock he was.

That doesn’t mean if he makes a comment on something in the game 25 years from now it should be automatically disregarded. Likewise with these two blokes now.

I think a healthy dose of scepticism wrt the comments of all former players and journos is a good attitude to take, but I don’t think we can just disregard their views on current issues because they said or did something **** 40 years ago. You’d hope they’ve grown up and realised what they said and did was ****ed up.
Burgey's right, TOTAB was just expressing a different POV, people can mature and change. And even if they don't these different perspectives are needed for a healthy and full discourse.


Riiiiiiiiight?
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
This from a cricinfo article quoting his 1976 autobiography:

Which brings us back to Gavaskar. Because all this "monkey" talk can't help but remind the cricket bibliophile of the chapter in Gavaskar's autobiography Sunny Days (1976) in which he recounts the blood-spattered Kingston Test of 1976 where Bishan Bedi famously declared his innings closed rather than risk further injury for his batsmen from the West Indian pace enfilade. Here's a sample:

To call the crowd a 'crowd' in Jamaica is a misnomer. It should be called a 'mob'. The way they shrieked and howled every time Holding bowled was positively horrible. They encouraged him with shouts of 'Kill him, Maaaan!' 'Hit im Maan!', 'Knock his head off Mike!' All this proved beyond a shadow of doubt that these people still belonged to the jungles and forests, instead of a civilised country....
Their partisan attitude was even more evident when they did not applaud any shots we played. At one stage I even 'demanded' claps for a boundary shot off Daniel. All I got was laughter from the section, which certainly hadn't graduated from the trees where they belonged....

They were stamping their legs, clapping and jumping with joy. The only word I can think of to describe the behaviour of the crowd is 'barbarian'. Here was a man seriously injured, and these barbarians were thirsting for more blood, instead of expressing sympathy, as any civilised and sporting crowd would have done....

The whole thing was sickening. Never have I seen such cold-blooded and positively indifferent behaviour from cricket officials and the spectators, to put it mildly, were positively inhuman.
Yea, it was pretty nasty and blatantly racist.
 

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