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As does Bancroft and de Bruyn.
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***Official*** Australia in South Africa 2018
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Seriously this idea that Starc doesn't take top-order poles needs to die. Check the numbers, his rate of top-6 bats stands up against anyone and he's beating some of the greats at nabbing openers at the moment.
Bloke strikes at < 50, has a couple of decent away tours, just hasn't quite put it together in England and India yet and even then, in England, last tour he was only beaten by Broad on the tally list. Yeah, he can go for runs early and he'll never be one to bowl dry but still snags early wickets with the nurry, busts a gut all day at pace and is probably the most feared old ball bowler in the world right now, not the guy you want to see at the top of his mark with half an hour to go even if you've had a good day. Weapon.
Bloke strikes at < 50, has a couple of decent away tours, just hasn't quite put it together in England and India yet and even then, in England, last tour he was only beaten by Broad on the tally list. Yeah, he can go for runs early and he'll never be one to bowl dry but still snags early wickets with the nurry, busts a gut all day at pace and is probably the most feared old ball bowler in the world right now, not the guy you want to see at the top of his mark with half an hour to go even if you've had a good day. Weapon.
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He might be proud of them.
Gob
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Man that clears everything. Great evidence
That shows he doesn't take middle order scalps though- basically he's dangerous when the ball is swinging, whether conventional or reverse.Seriously this idea that Starc doesn't take top-order poles needs to die. Check the numbers, his rate of top-6 bats stands up against anyone and he's beating some of the greats at nabbing openers at the moment.
Bloke strikes at < 50, has a couple of decent away tours, just hasn't quite put it together in England and India yet and even then, in England, last tour he was only beaten by Broad on the tally list. Yeah, he can go for runs early and he'll never be one to bowl dry but still snags early wickets with the nurry, busts a gut all day at pace and is probably the most feared old ball bowler in the world right now, not the guy you want to see at the top of his mark with half an hour to go even if you've had a good day. Weapon.
They could only do it on the SABC broadcast so it was pretty pointless as super sport was still showing it live.
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That's not what it says - it says he doesn't take middle-order scalps at the same rate as two of the greatest Test bowlers to the top-order the world has ever seen. It basically reflects his role in the team and what yer big quick swinging lefties tend to gravitate toward anyway - new and old ball wickets. If he's going for runs and not looking likely, he gets yanked from the attack with Hazlewood/whoever and Lyon to steady things against the middle-order. Then, if they get through the middle-order, on comes Starc the wrecking ball.
It's early days for Starc, of course, so the numbers are small but, for reference, here's the record for a bowler of a similar type, Wasim:
1st position 48 12%
2nd position 56 14%
3rd position 28 7%
4th position 31 7%
5th position 38 9%
6th position 32 8%
233 56%
414
Regardless of the merits and demerits of Starc against the middle order or how he's used by Clarke/Smith, etc. the point is, although he's not likely to go down in history as an all-time great, Starc not taking top-order wickets - myth.
It's early days for Starc, of course, so the numbers are small but, for reference, here's the record for a bowler of a similar type, Wasim:
1st position 48 12%
2nd position 56 14%
3rd position 28 7%
4th position 31 7%
5th position 38 9%
6th position 32 8%
233 56%
414
Regardless of the merits and demerits of Starc against the middle order or how he's used by Clarke/Smith, etc. the point is, although he's not likely to go down in history as an all-time great, Starc not taking top-order wickets - myth.
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Mates with Steyn & big Vern as well. I am sure they can organise a ticket.
Being dangerous when the ball is swinging whether conventional or reverse isn't a criticism, and you shouldn't feel the need to defend against it- basically I've just described Steyn.
Being good againt the middle is a different skillset. It requires nagging them out or variety in bowling. This isn't Starc- he is an impact bowler and should be used as such until he loses his striking power and develops more control/greater variety, as happens to most bowlers later in career.
Wasims scalp distribution is well known to be junk and shouldn't be cited.
Blain
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Well done Australia, a win over South Africa at home is a great feat. It's a shame knob head Warner can't take sh*t, despite being well on top of the match and widely regarded as one of the worst sledgers in world cricket.
It's certainly over shadowed the match over here in NZ.
It's certainly over shadowed the match over here in NZ.
marc71178
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He didn't.
Gob
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Wait there was a match in New Zealand?
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huh? It's a lot more relevant than Starc's "scalp distribution" given Starc's is from like 40 matches and Wasim's is from over 100. Still early days in Starc's career.
And as you ignored from the previous post, it's more representative of Starc's role in the team. Looking at those stats and deciding "he isn't good at getting out the middle order" is just ignorant.
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Not to mention trashing the record of a bloke who took 400 Test poles.
Either way, it does nothing to alter the point - Starc, proportionately, takes as many top-6 poles as anyone who's played the game. Whether it stays that way, we'll see but he's clearly not getting there by merely rolling the tail.
Either way, it does nothing to alter the point - Starc, proportionately, takes as many top-6 poles as anyone who's played the game. Whether it stays that way, we'll see but he's clearly not getting there by merely rolling the tail.
MagicPoopShovel
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They "crossed the line"
MagicPoopShovel
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Needs to "stay on the field"
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It shows how easy it is for people to misunderstand data. All it would take is for Starc to be not as good at bowling out the tail, and have less tail-end wickets, for his proportion of middle order wickets to be higher. His average would be a little higher, yet some people would rate him more because he doesn't get as many tailenders out. So stupid.