*Official* Australia v England post-Ashes ODI series

[Gob]

Soft signal is **** though

 

[TheJediBrah]

So Steve Smith wants the soft signal ruling to be scrapped now but was okay with it few weeks ago when it was used to give Stuart Broad out in the 4th test

Smith calls for end of 'soft signal' rulings - ESPNcricinfo

Everyone's calling for the soft signal ruling to be scrapped. It's one of the stupidest systems ever put in place. Soft signal from field umpires is always out, even though they have no idea whatsoever.

Basically you've gone from doubt going in the batsman's favour, to everything being out unless it clearly bounces on the replay (although evidently even then it can be given out).

 

[Adders]

Yeah no problem at all with Smiths comments on the soft signal.........it's ****.

 

[S.Kennedy]

I do not mind the soft signal so much as umpires usually require enough evidence to overturn the soft signal. Here the umpires deemed the minor trifle of the ball clearly hitting the ground in front of Buttler (and Buttler's gloves being too far back to have got anything under it) to be (drum roll) not enough evidence. Terrible umpiring.

That was a heck of an acting job there.

 

[TheJediBrah]

It makes sense going with "umpires call" for lbws and such because the umpire was actually in a good position to make the decision, doing it for contentious catches not so

 

[Spark]

Also because LBW calls are predictive and inherently uncertain, whereas with catches you're making a judgement on things that you can see.

I'm usually all in on the "looks out, won't be given" thing but... that kinda did look like Buttler pushed that into the turf. Particularly because he didn't seem to be under the ball. You could make an argument that he plucked it just off the ground, I guess, but I'd be pretty sceptical on that actually happening.

It's the ones where it "seems" to have bounced but the fingers are clearly under the ball which I think should be given basically 100% of the time.

 

[TheJediBrah]

It's funny because the whole "soft signal" thing shouldn't have even been an issue in this case, because the ball was clearly grounded on the replay and should have been given not out regardless of the "soft signal"

 

[Zinzan]

It makes sense going with "umpires call" for lbws and such because the umpire was actually in a good position to make the decision, doing it for contentious catches not so

I'm not convinced it make sense keeping umpires-call for LBWs any longer. They're just trying to justify the value of umpires if we're honest about it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm not convinced it make sense keeping umpires-call for LBWs any longer. They're just trying to justify the value of umpires if we're honest about it.

Yeah but then the issue is if you don't have umpires call then why is the umpire even there? To decide whether a side loses their review or not basically.

 

[GirtBySea]

Good game to watch, simply because of what the pitch had to offer for everyone, including the bowlers. Should be more of those for ODIs.
And still a pitch where batters can score heavily as they get in more, where once again England have performed better; they really do bat deep in this format.

 

[S.Kennedy]

In my opinion this was just bad umpiring. The soft thing wouldn't be an issue if someone who was not either extremely shortsighted or just an idiot had looked at the footage of the ball hitting the ground and overturned the signal.

Why is Buttler's, surely Oscar nominee, acting prowess not being picked on by our Aussie patriot brigade? All Broad did was feign ignorance in 2013 yet Jos put on a tour de force of acting prowess here!

 

[Spark]

The thing that gets me was that the majority of the time was spent looking at replays where the ball wasn't visible. Of course you're going to confuse yourself into bottling it if you obsess over useless information. It keeps happening yet nothing is ever done to fix it, or indeed even take note of it.

 

[Burgey]

In my opinion this was just bad umpiring. The soft thing wouldn't be an issue if someone who was not either extremely shortsighted or just an idiot had looked at the footage of the ball hitting the ground and overturned the signal.

Why is Buttler's, surely Oscar nominee, acting prowess not being picked on by our Aussie patriot brigade? All Broad did was feign ignorance in 2013 yet Jos put on a tour de force of acting prowess here!

because it's readily apparent from so many examples that fielders don't always know if a ball has carried, particularly when they're diving forward. This example was by no means as blatant as Strauss 2009, the Dhoni unarguable cheat off Pietersen at Lord's or that Clarke one in an ODI against NZ about ten years ago.

 

[Zinzan]

Yeah but then the issue is if you don't have umpires call then why is the umpire even there? To decide whether a side loses their review or not basically.

Well yeah, now we have DRS and it's not like any of them seem to watch for the no-ball anymore, I do question their purpose. I guess somebody needs to hold the bowler's cap.

 

[StephenZA]

Everyone's calling for the soft signal ruling to be scrapped. It's one of the stupidest systems ever put in place. Soft signal from field umpires is always out, even though they have no idea whatsoever.

Basically you've gone from doubt going in the batsman's favour, to everything being out unless it clearly bounces on the replay (although evidently even then it can be given out).

Not true because twice during the India SA series its been given as not out.

More often than not when a player claims a catch they took it cleanly, when they appear uncertain it not normally taken. The umpires being closest to the ball from a decision making point of view will have a gut instinct on whether the ball is caught or not. And thus give a soft signal in case the TV pictures are ambiguous. Soft signal is not a problem, it is when the TV umpire ****s up that a problem happens, like this case.

 

[TheBrand]

People don't understand (including Ch9 commentators) that doubt doesn't equal conclusive. There's a **** load of doubt on the replays for that catch but that doesn't make it conclusive. I honestly would not like to be the 3rd umpire in that decision regardless of the soft signal. Funny that it was Dharmasena though.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Dharmasena has been proven to be incompetent time and time again. And I'm not just talking about making bad decisions on the spot while umpiring, but as 3rd umpire on review he's managed to **** up so many obvious decisions despite having all available replays and really no doubt whatsoever.

Pretty sure he was the 3rd umpire when Khawaja was given out caught behind on review in the 2013 Ashes despite replays clearly showing he'd missed it by a foot (may not have been him but I think it was)

 

[Daemon]

Yep, the bloke is just trolling people at this point. Maybe he's on hotspot/snicko's payroll in their bid to take over from umpires completely.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yep, the bloke is just trolling people at this point. Maybe he's on hotspot/snicko's payroll in their bid to take over from umpires completely.

wtf i love dharmasena now

 

[Top_Cat]

Dharmasena has been proven to be incompetent time and time again. And I'm not just talking about making bad decisions on the spot while umpiring, but as 3rd umpire on review he's managed to **** up so many obvious decisions despite having all available replays and really no doubt whatsoever.

Pretty sure he was the 3rd umpire when Khawaja was given out caught behind on review in the 2013 Ashes despite replays clearly showing he'd missed it by a foot (may not have been him but I think it was)

Sure was:

UT Khawaja

c †Prior b Swann

22.6 full and this one rags away from Khawaja as he prods at the ball - England go up in unison again and Hill gives it! Khawaja looks a bit uncertain and calls for the review. The slo-mo is pretty inconclusive, there's a small sound on the audio but it appears to come before ball passes bat, maybe bat clipping pad; Hot Spot doesn't appear to show anything. They're looking at various angles... here we go then, and Hill raises the finger again! Well, I assume Kumar Dharmasena decided there wasn't enough evidence to overrule the on-field decision but Khawaja looks a little unlucky and Australia have been bitten by DRS again 82/2

I can only assume a shortage of candidates for why he still has a job.