***Official*** Pakistan in New Zealand 2017/18

[Flem274*]

CdG has always been the bloke who breezes to 30 from 25 balls then sends a technically perfect lofted drive straight into the hands of the outfielder. It has been his rep for years. He hasn't been incapable, just dumb.

In FC for whatever reason it doesn't affect him as much, but in limited overs its no surprise someone prone to playing one shot too many averages zilch when they bat in the hitters position. If playing for the Black Caps makes him think about what he's doing more then hopefully he will turn the corner.

 

[Kippax]

Wtf how is kitchen still getting picked?

Apparently Chapman's not really competing with Kitchen, because his bowling isn't in the same league. Glenn Phillips and Robbie O'Donnell having a trundle with their offies in recent times has had more of a consequence than Auckland thought it would.

“Mark has been really impressive for Auckland, but with the form that Tom and Ross have been in we felt they deserved to continue getting opportunities.

“We’d like to see Mark continue to work on his bowling, which could open up other opportunities for him outside of just that number five spot.”

 

[Daemon]

EXACTLY

Like I get it, it's going ok at the moment and he's doing a job, and his performances across different formats also give us reassurance that he seems to be in good form generally. I'm not even asking for him to be dropped right now.

However, does the "normal" 50-over CDG warrant a place in an ODI side? Not in a million years, imo, because he has always been poor at the format. Is he the right guy to be investing in medium-term with a CWC approaching? Probably not imo, unless we could somehow be sure that he had turned a corner and was a different ODI player to what he has been for the last decade. These are at the least very valid questions if we actually want to know what our best XI is.

Fair enough, but players can improve and there is a possibility of him doing a decent job in the long term. Besides, what's the alternative? Who do you want to invest in?

 

[Athlai]

Apparently Chapman's not really competing with Kitchen, because his bowling isn't in the same league. Glenn Phillips and Robbie O'Donnell having a trundle with their offies in recent times has had more of a consequence than Auckland thought it would.

Kitchen is in due to his bowling? What the ****

I guess at least we got to play Bracewell as a specialist # 8 bat against WI.

 

[cnerd123]

The Kiwi selectors are hacks, Champan should just come back to HK where he gets treated with the respect he deserves.

 

[Mike5181]

CdG is there because Neesham and Anderson couldn't step up. One's taken a break from the game after being dropped by Otago, the other is permanently injured. Neither of them were up to much when they were in the team anyway. Neesham got smashed at the bowling crease, Anderson forgot how to bat (averages 13 in the last two years). Not to mention, he's the only guy from 3 to 7 with the extra gear to finish off an innings, and he provides cover for how **** Latham is in NZ conditions.

 

[Flem274*]

Guptill
Munro/Phillips/Seifert
Kane
Ross
Nicholls
Munro/Phillips/Seifert
CdG
Santa
Ferguson/Henry/someonestepup
Southee
Boult

12th: Chapman

imo

munro always makes the team im just not sure on batting position relative to the keeper options

 

[Flem274*]

We could also justify this rather entertaining test batting order

Latham
Raval
Kane
Ross
Watling (wk)
Lord Colin
Lord Colin

not a typo

 

[jcas0167]

Rotation/ second XI

Devcich
Seifert (wk)
Chapman
Young (c)
Worker
O'Donnell
Clarkson
Bracewell
Tickner
Lister
Patel A

12th Lister

 

[SteveNZ]

Apparently Chapman's not really competing with Kitchen, because his bowling isn't in the same league. Glenn Phillips and Robbie O'Donnell having a trundle with their offies in recent times has had more of a consequence than Auckland thought it would.

Anaru being preferred for his bowling is the funniest thing I've heard in years. Like Phil Nevill being overlooked for Wade because he's not a lippy ****head

 

[Moss]

The Chapman non-selection is poor from Lesson. You're missing out on playing someone in red-hot form and who could be a future batting mainstay. Can't blame him if he does go back to HK. Would be sad if we finished the season without having added one new long-term prospect to the mix, but I suppose the think tank will just point to the results.

 

[SteveNZ]

Seven guys who can bowl, not including Kitchen, played in the last T20. That's before you add Dutchy in. Absolute horse ****

 

[vandem]

Apparently Chapman's not really competing with Kitchen, because his bowling isn't in the same league. Glenn Phillips and Robbie O'Donnell having a trundle with their offies in recent times has had more of a consequence than Auckland thought it would.

“Mark has been really impressive for Auckland, but with the form that Tom and Ross have been in we felt they deserved to continue getting opportunities.

“We’d like to see Mark continue to work on his bowling, which could open up other opportunities for him outside of just that number five spot.”

Saw the Edgar quote and at first thought it made sense, useful to have a #6 who can bowl a couple of overs (assumes keeper is batting in a top 5 spot). But in the current lineup Munro can bowl a couple. So no reason Chapman couldn't bat #6. Right now!

Also think the selectors need to relook at Devcich if they want a 30+ year old in the #6 / 6th bowler slot. 6-hitting > Kitchen. Nude spin > Kitchen.

 

[Zinzan]

The Chapman non-selection is poor from Lesson. You're missing out on playing someone in red-hot form and who could be a future batting mainstay.

It's annoying as ****.

 

[Firebreaker]

Chapman is going to play in Qualifiers and he should.NZ keeps on selecting oldies who are not good enough

 

[Firebreaker]

HK is not poor like other Associates CBs.They can pay him well to play

 

[SteveNZ]

EXACTLY

Like I get it, it's going ok at the moment and he's doing a job, and his performances across different formats also give us reassurance that he seems to be in good form generally. I'm not even asking for him to be dropped right now.

However, does the "normal" 50-over CDG warrant a place in an ODI side? Not in a million years, imo, because he has always been poor at the format. Is he the right guy to be investing in medium-term with a CWC approaching? Probably not imo, unless we could somehow be sure that he had turned a corner and was a different ODI player to what he has been for the last decade. These are at the least very valid questions if we actually want to know what our best XI is.

Firstly, the normal CDG warrants a spot because our hitting power is absolutely nil. Latham Nicholls Santner Southee in that 5-9 spot...woeful. Even if Colin is this 1 in 10 proposition that you seem to be painting him out as, they had to pick him.

How much do you reckon we lose that game on Tuesday by without him? I say 60-70. Honestly.

Yes, you're right - his record in List As was awful when he came in. But as they should, they picked him because they saw the so obvious ability - the pre-eminent ball striker in the country and the owner of the highest SR in T20 history anywhere - and backed themselves to turn him into an international player. Not turn him into Ross or Kane, but into someone they can get value out of. It's worked.

He's maturing, he's played ODIs v SA/Aus/India and a very decent Pakistan bowling line up now so he's getting battle hardened. His bowling is very handy, and he's an out and out gun fielder. The World Cup is in 16 months, he's in already. Who else is going to hit at the death? I couldn't name you a single other option. I bet you he'll also bowl with a Dukes very well.

 

[SteveNZ]

Saw the Edgar quote and at first thought it made sense, useful to have a #6 who can bowl a couple of overs (assumes keeper is batting in a top 5 spot). But in the current lineup Munro can bowl a couple. So no reason Chapman couldn't bat #6. Right now!

Also think the selectors need to relook at Devcich if they want a 30+ year old in the #6 / 6th bowler slot. 6-hitting > Kitchen. Nude spin > Kitchen.

Yeah, they've obviously decided they've seen enough from Devcich. But picking Kitchen, gee it just makes no sense.

What's our best T20 XI? Munro Guptill KW Taylor Bruce de Grandhomme Phillips Santner Southee Sodhi Boult (from the squad named)? That's six bowlers, without counting KW. You can play Chapman instead of Bruce, push everyone up one. But hey, by all means pick a guy who's bowled an avg of 1 over per T20 match he's played.

 

[Moss]

What's our best T20 XI? Munro Guptill KW Taylor Bruce de Grandhomme Phillips Santner Southee Sodhi Boult (from the squad named)? That's six bowlers, without counting KW. You can play Chapman instead of Bruce, push everyone up one. But hey, by all means pick a guy who's bowled an avg of 1 over per T20 match he's played.

I thought Taylor was supposed to be out of favour as a T20 batsman. Only saying so because Chapman is apparently competing with him and Bruce for those spots. But yes, can't see Kitchen adding that much to the lineup.

 

[Kippax]

I thought Taylor was supposed to be out of favour as a T20 batsman. Only saying so because Chapman is apparently competing with him and Bruce for those spots. But yes, can't see Kitchen adding that much to the lineup.

Well yeah but there's been media focus down here on Taylor's eye operation being this big game-changer for him. "Wish I'd had the op done about four years ago" and so on.