***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2017

[Moss]

Neil Broom selection feels like the new Peter Fulton.

Be nice if the selectors spread their wings but they've made it clear it isn't their style.

Fulton at least had one breakout series against England, and there were no openers waiting in the wings at the time. As soon as Latham came along and hit the ground running, he was gone. Nothing remotely similar in Broom's case, though I was actually okay with him being looked at as a backup option for the top 3. He's fluffed his chance badly now.

The selectors' conservatism is especially weird given the world cup is now less than 2 years away, and it really should be the ideal time to trial new blood.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Actually Taylor is in the 20-20 squad for the West Indies, for the first game, anyway. I'd missed that somehow. Good chance for him to stake a claim for a spot in his first game for more than one and a half years. I don't think he's the most destructive batsman in that format, but he's a heck of a lot better than some we've selected in that time (eg. Broom). And, dare I say it, better than Williamson.

 

[Kippax]

not really. taylors pretty crap at T20

its the lack of mark chapmans, tom bruces and tim seiferts that's weird

Yeah, almost like Hesson now feels let down by the attempt made to fast-track the likes of Milne, Neesham and Anderson tbh, just on a "their domestic level stats are far from dominant, but they'll learn little at that level" basis.

Ferguson on the rise, CdG, Bracewell coming back into the mix. Players who aren't exactly going to get top nations shaking in their boots, but are now deemed to have less of a soft underbelly and conceitedness to them than the more fashionable names, having cut fewer corners.

 

[Kippax]

His 16-Test project Rutherford sucking and the consistently NZA squad ignored Raval doing okay, another one.

 

[Beamer]

I fulfill the criteria of madness according to Einstein perfectly. Every ODI match I've tuned in expecting a better performance even though I know the same squad of players is being used..... Each game got worse.

I honestly don't know how this team can win a ODI unless Lewis or Gayle go big. We've just got nothing outside of the tomp order to hurt anyone. Given our power hitting ability it is a crying shame. They can't continue like this. The side is just woeful. A huge rethink is needed. Our List A tournament is soon so they will need to keep an eye out for`;

Priority 1 - Middle order batsmen who can rotate the strike and hit later if required.
Priority 2 - Pace bowlers who can take wickets at the start
Priority 3 - Pace bowlers who can bowl well at the death

We also need to get Andre Russell and Sunil Narine back into the mix ASAP. My team for the World Cup qualifiers:

Chris Gayle
Evin Lewis
Shai Hope (wk)
To be decided
To be decided
Sunil Ambris
Andre Russell
Jason Holder (c)
Sunil Narine
Ashley Nurse/Pacer
Sheldon Cotterell

Holder's captaincy in ODI's is utterly atrocious also, they should consider replacing him and letting him focus on tests. This team needs to rediscover its identity which is big hitting, athletic fielding and clever spin bowling. The team we have just seen has big hitting at the top but that's it.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Yeah, almost like Hesson now feels let down by the attempt made to fast-track the likes of Milne, Neesham and Anderson tbh, just on a "their domestic level stats are far from dominant, but they'll learn little at that level" basis.

Ferguson on the rise, CdG, Bracewell coming back into the mix. Players who aren't exactly going to get top nations shaking in their boots, but are now deemed to have less of a soft underbelly and conceitedness to them than the more fashionable names, having cut fewer corners.

That's also the difference between Edgar and Larsen as selector.

 

[straw man]

Yeah, almost like Hesson now feels let down by the attempt made to fast-track the likes of Milne, Neesham and Anderson tbh, just on a "their domestic level stats are far from dominant, but they'll learn little at that level" basis.

Ferguson on the rise, CdG, Bracewell coming back into the mix. Players who aren't exactly going to get top nations shaking in their boots, but are now deemed to have less of a soft underbelly and conceitedness to them than the more fashionable names, having cut fewer corners.

His 16-Test project Rutherford sucking and the consistently NZA squad ignored Raval doing okay, another one.

I was wondering this too - some basis for why they've moved from selecting the young and talented chosen ones to develop at international level, to now selecting the 30 year old proven domestic performer. I think there's a fair middle ground to be found though - the latter are going to be our useful bit-part performers like CDG rather than the core of the side.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

False hopes.

The Kiwis are getting false hopes.

Windies already threw the white flag

 

[Flem274*]

False hopes.

The Kiwis are getting false hopes.

Windies already threw the white flag

i don't think anyone is reading much into this tour other than the windies are really struggling

 

[Kippax]

I was wondering this too - some basis for why they've moved from selecting the young and talented chosen ones to develop at international level, to now selecting the 30 year old proven domestic performer. I think there's a fair middle ground to be found though - the latter are going to be our useful bit-part performers like CDG rather than the core of the side.

Haha yeah I think L/esson may've been talking to Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux about this. They've been told the entire 1989-1998 bracket of cricketers may need to be biffed like a potentially tarnished batch, on account of modern schools and club sport policies.

The overt push to inflate the pretty puppets of globalist commercialism, like Amelia Kerr, has led to a crippling aversion in young men to standing out righteously and Christ-like from their peers. "Like a knob," as they would put it. That's why a country like South Africa still gets its Markrams, Breetzkes and Rabadas coming through nicely, despite their tumultuous ructions and poor infrastructure, while New Zealand has to resort to employing Jeet Raval and Neil Wagner to do its hard jobs for poor pay.

New Zealand is in fact a nation of Jimmy Neeshams; smart alec purveyors of sport and media, sure, yet prone to deferring meekly to the opposition with dismissals that are softer than a fluffy toy. I'd written down 'Neesham is a ****' on a piece a paper before I went in, so they knew I'd anticipated what they were going to say, but Molly and JP still directed me to their bulging Patreon accounts.

Oh god, check out how Poland's been soaring up the FIFA rankings, ever since its swing to the anti-globalist right and its siege mentality took hold. There's something to it.

 

[Flem274*]

kane williamson and trent boult were born between those years

i think it's less whatever you wrote and more to do with a mix of trying to slot into roles and the hard working kiwi narrative pushed on them by old fops like hurricane, not polishing the rough edges off our players because #intent #thatsthewaytheyplay, and of course the ability of our major sports teams to completely fall to pieces whenever they're viewed as potentially serious contenders in australia rather than written off as useless no hopers (upon which they inevitably win). as mark richardson once said on live tv 'i always thought if you could average 35 with the bat in test cricket then you could consider yourself a decent player'.

our sporting public would rather have the chance to moan about australian sportsmanship and act high and mighty about the spirit of the game rather than think about why we might have lost. as long as we have the moral high ground the likes of tony veitch and his listeners are keen for the 'revenge' bilateral odi series which is completely meaningless.

it leads to weird situations where our team has been touted as the ultimate in sportsmanship without anyone noticing Neil Wagner's 5 year and counting quest to murder someone on a cricket pitch or the fact Kyle Mills spent ten years abusing every batsman he ever bowled to.

 

[Immenso]

I was wondering this too - some basis for why they've moved from selecting the young and talented chosen ones to develop at international level, to now selecting the 30 year old proven domestic performer. I think there's a fair middle ground to be found though - the latter are going to be our useful bit-part performers like CDG rather than the core of the side.

I also think they've got through all the 'chosen ones' from the 2008-2010 u19s where we had a mini golden generation.

There are no more young chosen ones to select at the monent, to throw into the deep end with some confidence. Although they could re-select some of the chosen ones they've churned through (Anderson, Neesham, Bracewell)

Sodhi is the only current young player hard done by. Young and Duffy haven't developed. Seiffert has only finally awoken. The rest from that age group are very 'un-chosen'.

 

[bill8164]

I also think they've got through all the 'chosen ones' from the 2008-2010 u19s where we had a mini golden generation.

There are no more young chosen ones to select at the monent, to throw into the deep end with some confidence. Although they could re-select some of the chosen ones they've churned through (Anderson, Neesham, Bracewell)

Sodhi is the only current young player hard done by. Young and Duffy haven't developed. Seiffert has only finally awoken. The rest from that age group are very 'un-chosen'.

Guess Neesham won't be one of them anytime soon, https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...y-neesham-dropped-by-otago-for-twenty20-match

 

[Howsie]

steveNZ said it perfectly the other day with regards to Anaru Kitchen V someone like Mark Chapman. Chapman is 10 years younger, has put up better numbers and obviously has a future with this team, so why the hell would you go with Kitchen?

 

[vcs]

Haha yeah I think L/esson may've been talking to Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux about this. They've been told the entire 1989-1998 bracket of cricketers may need to be biffed like a potentially tarnished batch, on account of modern schools and club sport policies.

The overt push to inflate the pretty puppets of globalist commercialism, like Amelia Kerr, has led to a crippling aversion in young men to standing out righteously and Christ-like from their peers. "Like a knob," as they would put it. That's why a country like South Africa still gets its Markrams, Breetzkes and Rabadas coming through nicely, despite their tumultuous ructions and poor infrastructure, while New Zealand has to resort to employing Jeet Raval and Neil Wagner to do its hard jobs for poor pay.

New Zealand is in fact a nation of Jimmy Neeshams; smart alec purveyors of sport and media, sure, yet prone to deferring meekly to the opposition with dismissals that are softer than a fluffy toy. I'd written down 'Neesham is a ****' on a piece a paper before I went in, so they knew I'd anticipated what they were going to say, but Molly and JP still directed me to their bulging Patreon accounts.

Oh god, check out how Poland's been soaring up the FIFA rankings, ever since its swing to the anti-globalist right and its siege mentality took hold. There's something to it.

Don't know if your post is tongue in cheek, but US didn't qualify for the World Cup..

 

[Howsie]

Guess Neesham won't be one of them anytime soon, https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...y-neesham-dropped-by-otago-for-twenty20-match

Neesham is a ****ing lazy sod. Say what you will about Corey Anderson but cricket has always come first for him. Neesham on the other hand would much prefer getting paid to **** around with other ****.

 

[_Ed_]

I fulfill the criteria of madness according to Einstein perfectly. Every ODI match I've tuned in expecting a better performance even though I know the same squad of players is being used..... Each game got worse.

I honestly don't know how this team can win a ODI unless Lewis or Gayle go big. We've just got nothing outside of the tomp order to hurt anyone. Given our power hitting ability it is a crying shame. They can't continue like this. The side is just woeful. A huge rethink is needed. Our List A tournament is soon so they will need to keep an eye out for`;

Priority 1 - Middle order batsmen who can rotate the strike and hit later if required.
Priority 2 - Pace bowlers who can take wickets at the start
Priority 3 - Pace bowlers who can bowl well at the death

We also need to get Andre Russell and Sunil Narine back into the mix ASAP. My team for the World Cup qualifiers:

Chris Gayle
Evin Lewis
Shai Hope (wk)
To be decided
To be decided
Sunil Ambris
Andre Russell
Jason Holder (c)
Sunil Narine
Ashley Nurse/Pacer
Sheldon Cotterell

Holder's captaincy in ODI's is utterly atrocious also, they should consider replacing him and letting him focus on tests. This team needs to rediscover its identity which is big hitting, athletic fielding and clever spin bowling. The team we have just seen has big hitting at the top but that's it.

Really feel for you and other WI fans!

I thought there was a lot to like about Powell's innings in Whangarei. There's a bit to work with there.

 

[Beamer]

Really feel for you and other WI fans!

I thought there was a lot to like about Powell's innings in Whangarei. There's a bit to work with there.

Cheers Ed. It's not looking any better for the next 3 matches either. Our T20 squad is missing:

- Narine (personal reasons)
- Pollard (personal reasons)
- Evin Lewis (left out/unexplained/madness)
- Samuels (injury)

They have been replaced with Shai Hope, Shimron Hetmeyer and Sheldon Cotterell. We've literally lost 4 t20 world beaters there and replaced them with not a lot. Fed up of these guys pulling out for personal reasons. They just don't give a damn about West Indies cricket anymore.

 

[Prince EWS]

Narine pulled out of the Big Bash this season due to personal reasons as well, tbf. I have no idea what exactly he's going through but it doesn't seem like he's just using it as an excuse to snub the West Indies.

 

[Beamer]

Narine pulled out of the Big Bash this season due to personal reasons as well, tbf. I have no idea what exactly he's going through but it doesn't seem like he's just using it as an excuse to snub the West Indies.

I would agree with that but he has done it on numerous occasions before also. Pollard has no excuse also, he is currently in Australia for the Big Bash. I'm just fed up of it.