England disintegrating like in 2013-14 Ashes - Johnson

[stephen]

He is not benching any of kg,Steyn,philander or morkel. Not close to them.

Starc is easily better than Morkel. And while he's not better than the other three I could see him picked over Philander for all the reasons I've already stated.

He would definitely play over Philander in the subcontinent.

 

[Stefan9]

Starc is easily better than Morkel. And while he's not better than the other three I could see him picked over Philander for all the reasons I've already stated.

He would definitely play over Philander in the subcontinent.

Not based on the last 12 month's he is not.

Morkel 34 wickets @ 25.44 strikerate of 48 and econ of 3.17
Stark 35 wickets @ 27.77 strikerate of 49.6 and econ of 3.35

And if you want to argue variation Morkel's height is as much variation as starks left arm.

 

[Starfighter]

The gap between Starc and Philander is so large that you'd have to be an actual idiot to play Starc.

 

[Spark]

Starc is easily better than Morkel. And while he's not better than the other three I could see him picked over Philander for all the reasons I've already stated.

He would definitely play over Philander in the subcontinent.

Have you seen Morkel bowling in the last year or so? He's been superb.

Yesterday really accentuated the difference between the two IMO.

 

[Daemon]

Starc over Philander fmd get a grip

 

[stephen]

Not based on the last 12 month's he is not.

Morkel 34 wickets @ 25.44 strikerate of 48 and econ of 3.17
Stark 35 wickets @ 27.77 strikerate of 49.6 and econ of 3.35

And if you want to argue variation Morkel's height is as much variation as starks left arm.

Those stats are virtually identical tbf.

Look, I've been critical of Starc in the part but calling Morkel better than him is a bit of a joke, even if Morkel is in slightly better form right now.

Yes, Philander, Steyn and Rabada are all better than Starc but selectors would find it very difficult to leave out Starc if he was available. And he's a lock over Philander on subcontinent tours.

 

[morgieb]

Starc over Philander fmd get a grip

Even stephen admitted that he didn't actually rate Starc over Philander but he thought the selectors might.

 

[morgieb]

One key factor about the Starc/Morkel argument is Starc's batting, which is important when you're picking 5 bowlers. A 7/8/9 of Philander/Starc/Maharaj looks a lot better than Philander/Maharaj/Rabada.

 

[Starfighter]

Those stats are virtually identical tbf.

No they're not. 2.3 is a fairly sizeable gap.

Look, I've been critical of Starc in the part but calling Morkel better than him is a bit of a joke, even if Morkel is in slightly better form right now.

No

Yes, Philander, Steyn and Rabada are all better than Starc but selectors would find it very difficult to leave out Starc if he was available.

See my comment above. Philander has ATG figures and Starc is nowhere near. No one who objectively watches cricket could do that except...

And he's a lock over Philander on subcontinent tours.

Possibly, but not certainly.

 

[stephen]

No they're not. 2.3 is a fairly sizeable gap.
No

See my comment above. Philander has ATG figures and Starc is nowhere near. No one who objectively watches cricket could do that except...

Possibly, but not certainly.

2.3 runs per wicket over 35 wickets is margin of error type stuff.

I'm no way under rating Philander here. He's better than Starc.

All I'm saying is that Starc has attributes which get him into teams, beyond statistics at the possible expense of better bowlers.

 

[NotMcKenzie]

So you'd pick a worse player because of basically meme value.

 

[vcs]

Starc over Philander fmd get a grip

Philander's batting also is a point in his favour.. he can do a decent job at No. 7, while Starc's batting has regressed.

 

[stephen]

So you'd pick a worse player because of basically meme value.

Do you have a comprehension problem? I've spent the last two pages saying that selectors will often favour bowlers with Starc's attributes over better bowlers.

I have not said that I would pick him over Philander outside Asia, only that I think selectors would.

Though tbf, in South Africa the quota system probably would help Philander. That and the fact that he's a better bowler might keep him ahead of Starc.

 

[Daemon]

Man I can't believe stephen would pick Starc over Philander

 

[NotMcKenzie]

Do you have a comprehension problem? I've spent the last two pages saying that selectors will often favour bowlers with Starc's attributes over better bowlers.

I have not said that I would pick him over Philander outside Asia, only that I think selectors would.

Though tbf, in South Africa the quota system probably would help Philander. That and the fact that he's a better bowler might keep him ahead of Starc.

No, I do not have a comprehension problem, thank you. And if you were merely presenting a presumed selector's P.o.V., you've not really distinguished that from your own.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

England crumbling. In jeopardy of not reaching 400

 

[NotMcKenzie]

Need only 8 as I type, so sundries might get 'em there.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I've lost all respect for you Stephen. Picking Starc over Philander is unforgivable.

 

[adub]

So you'd pick a worse player because of basically meme value.

Andrew Hilditch would

 

[stephen]

Man I can't believe stephen would pick Starc over Philander

I've lost all respect for you Stephen. Picking Starc over Philander is unforgivable.

Bastards