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***Official*** English Football Season 2017/18

Cabinet96

Cabinet96

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Lillian Thomson said:
I think that means with cannabis. Klopp is an imposter. If he was English he would have been sacked by now.
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Yeah he's not still in a job because he's brought Liverpool to their 2nd best league campaign since 08/09 and is about to take them to the CL knockouts for the first time since that season. It's because he's German.
 
Lillian Thomson

Lillian Thomson

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Cabinet96 said:
Yeah he's not still in a job because he's brought Liverpool to their 2nd best league campaign since 08/09 and is about to take them to the CL knockouts for the first time since that season. It's because he's German.
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Yeah, he’s a true hero. Shame they’re nowhere near contending for the two major trophies he was brought in to win.
 
Cabinet96

Cabinet96

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Sometimes you have to be realistic and not go round sacking every good coach you get your hands on in the 10% hope that someone else will perform a miracle.
 
Uppercut

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It’s funny that if they’d drawn 0-0 he’d get nothing but praise for doing a job. Playing defensively is a good way to dupe people into thinking you have things under control.
 
sledger

sledger

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Yes, guaranteed to get people breaking out the "well organised", "efficient" and "hard working" platitudes.
 
Lillian Thomson

Lillian Thomson

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Spark said:
Serious question: who actually thought Klopp would win a CL with Liverpool?
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The Champions League is very difficult to win. But given his record at Dortmund there's surely no disputing that the Liverpool owners appointed him to get them in contention for the two big trophies.
 
Furball

Furball

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Lillian Thomson said:
The Champions League is very difficult to win. But given his record at Dortmund there's surely no disputing that the Liverpool owners appointed him to get them in contention for the two big trophies.
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Which he's doing in the Champions League by a) qualifying for it and b) being in a position to qualify from the group stages
 
Cabinet96

Cabinet96

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Lillian Thomson said:
I know Arsenal fans think 4th place and the last 16 equals a trophy, but I doubt Liverpool fans would agree.
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I love how even though no team in the country has won more trophies than Arsenal in the last four years we still get the lol you think 4th equals a trophy stuff from 2012.
 
Lillian Thomson

Lillian Thomson

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Cabinet96 said:
I love how even though no team in the country has won more trophies than Arsenal in the last four years we still get the lol you think 4th equals a trophy stuff from 2012.
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Only because it was an Arsenal follower who claimed that Klopp had turned Liverpool into Champions League contenders just because they qualified for it. :)
 
Ikki

Ikki

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Uppercut said:
It’s funny that if they’d drawn 0-0 he’d get nothing but praise for doing a job. Playing defensively is a good way to dupe people into thinking you have things under control.
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Klopp's a fine manager and, if anything, overall he is doing well. But the problems with Liverpool are so obvious and predictable it's maddening. We have no game management plans and it's obvious. If Liverpool want to actually challenge, as Klopp says he wants to, then we'll never make the next step if we can't hold onto leads. It's not just the Sevilla game. If Liverpool are two goals up I still feel like we can **** it up against anyone.

A lot of that has to do with Henderson. He no longer has the engine of a few years ago and he has injury issues. On the game side he was fine a few years ago when he would recover the ball and give it to a more able and intelligent passer - like Gerrard - and play box-to-box. But now he sits at the base of midfield and sees too much of the ball. He neither has the technique nor game IQ to dictate a game. What's worse is that he isn't a leader, defers and shouts a lot at the same time.

IIRC his stats for the Sevilla game were like 55% passing accuracy, 0 tackles, ball recovers and aerial duels. And if anything the stats often flatter him a lot because watching him is awful. Like, why is he starting anymore? It's legitimate to ask why he should even be at the club. We win in spite of him and rarely because of him. I'd say he's the rich man's Lee Cattermole but it's more like upper-middle class.

Then you have several years of errors by Moreno and Lovren. We're not talking about 1-2, but something like every other game and often multiple goal-causing mistakes in the same game. It's clear they are not up for playing at this level. To be fair to Moreno he has largely been good this season but there's no reason he should feel his place is settled and that's the feeling you get: that Klopp might be supportive (or deluded) to a fault.

If we don't get top 4 again IMO we should be looking at Rafa again. If he had the kind of backing FSG have given our recent managers I'm fairly positive he could do great things.
 
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