Howe_zat
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At the Oval, I'd say yes. Best way to take wickets there in recent years has been defending a good total.
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*** Official*** South Africa in England 2017
- Thread starter Heboric
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SeamUp
International Coach
Oh yes, remember the infamous/famous 2/4
SeamUp
International Coach
Looks like he bowls a 'heavy ball' ?
Howe_zat
Audio File
Rather a mixed bag there.
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Fully behind the new selections. I'm sick of giving the same old about which tiny bit of minutiae I'm supposed to think makes an enormous difference to being test standard. Once you're in the team, I'm game.
Marius
International Debutant
Cricinfo says 2014 vs Sri Lanka.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Makes sense; as with the 1st SA test in 2000 it followed a debacle.
Must be rare to see this in the middle of a series though.
Compton
International Debutant
Why is everyone going on about England playing too many batsmen?
Top 5 batsmen
A/R
Keeper
Best spinner
Bowler
Bowler
Bowler
The fact that England's best spin option happens to be Moeen, who is a great batsman down the order is just a happy bonus.
Most keepers bat 7, the fact that Bairstow is middle-order quality is, again, a happy bonus.
Top 5 batsmen
A/R
Keeper
Best spinner
Bowler
Bowler
Bowler
The fact that England's best spin option happens to be Moeen, who is a great batsman down the order is just a happy bonus.
Most keepers bat 7, the fact that Bairstow is middle-order quality is, again, a happy bonus.
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So Moeen is the best spinner? Or could you drop a batsmen and play Rashid? It just seems very defensive.
The Battlers Prince
International Vice-Captain
It's England, of course its defensive.
Howe_zat
Audio File
Yeah exactly, insisting that Moeen has to move up and playing more bowlers is just turning a strength into a weakness, the strength being that our 4th seamer also bats in the top six.
Having your spinner bat about as well as he bowls isn't all that unusual anyway, and when you don't really have a specialist spinner it's a reasonable move. Bringing in less good cricketers because the positions don't 'feel right' to you is not a reasonable move.
Ashley Giles was once picked in part for his batting at #8 and he averaged 17. Moeen is like a much better Giles.
Having your spinner bat about as well as he bowls isn't all that unusual anyway, and when you don't really have a specialist spinner it's a reasonable move. Bringing in less good cricketers because the positions don't 'feel right' to you is not a reasonable move.
Ashley Giles was once picked in part for his batting at #8 and he averaged 17. Moeen is like a much better Giles.
The Battlers Prince
International Vice-Captain
What I'd love to see is Cooky ton but South Africa dominant
Howe_zat
Audio File
Given the role of a spinner in a 5-man attack, Moeen is close enough to the best available spinner that it doesn't really matter. He took a 10 wicket match in this series. He's fine.
Howe_zat
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Compton
International Debutant
This, this, and this.
Compton
International Debutant
I don't really see the benefit of playing two spinners in England unless you've got two demanding selection. Especially true when you've got Root who can chuck down a few as required.
Right now having Moeen bat down the order makes England much harder to beat.