honestbharani
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Ah.. then it makes sense.
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Ireland and Afghanistan awarded Test status by ICC
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Black_Warrior
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Based on that. First generation of a country's test cricketers rarely end up with the greatest stats.
Here's a question, how many Bangladeshi bowlers have over 100 test wickets?
Mohammad Rafique, who was perhaps Bangladesh's greatest spinner and from their first generation played 33 tests and managed 100 test wickets.
mr_mister
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Yeah but we're saying this bloke is far better than any bangi bowler. People aren't saying he's good for Afghanistan standards, theyre saying he's potentially world class. Based on some of his recent exploits I'd much rather him in our odi team than bloody zampa
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madrid2000
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Let me burst the bubble for some who believe Rashid Khan is 18... he is not even 22-23.. He is at least 25 and could be as old as 27. I don't know his exact birth date, but it's between 25-27. He should still have at least 10 years of cricket left in him since he is from Afghanistan and is a spinner. Over the next 10 years afghanistan will play around 40-50 tests and since most of them are going to be against low ranked team he will at minimum get to 200 wickets.
Black_Warrior
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Not talking about his quality, but his playing opportunities. Bangladesh are lucky to play more than 4 test matches in a year. Afghanistan would be lucky to play that many in a year.
cnerd123
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Why are Bangla playing so few matches if there is opportunity to make money off them?
India plays tons of overseas games and gets hammered but everyone acknowledges it's just because they rake in the $$$ and so you play them when you can.
Bangladesh have 161 million people. That's huge. That's 5 Australias. There is money to be made playing them. Why aren't they getting more games?
Something isn't adding up here.
India plays tons of overseas games and gets hammered but everyone acknowledges it's just because they rake in the $$$ and so you play them when you can.
Bangladesh have 161 million people. That's huge. That's 5 Australias. There is money to be made playing them. Why aren't they getting more games?
Something isn't adding up here.
Starfighter
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And NZ
harsh.ag
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They suck...?
cnerd123
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India sucked and they still got 5 test tours overseas where they got walloped. Pakistan didn't get more games under the Misbah era than they did when they were crap and when they rocked by the spot-fixing scandal and all that.
It's not cricketing reasons. The reason always offered is that no one wants to watch them - just like how hardly anyone wants to watch WI, SL, etc play. It's that hosting these teams are uneconomical whilst hosting India is mad $$$ regardless of how the cricket is.
Daemon
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I didn't make any mistake lol, was replying to BW who literally said 100 test wickets. Looks like it was a typo.
Black_Warrior
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It's a bullshit reason. That's the point. Bangladesh tour of New Zealand earlier this year and their triseries in Ireland with New Zealand this year were bankrolled by Bangladeshi sponsors. That's two away series they have bankrolled in countries not known for a huge Bangladeshi population or market.
Just imagine a Bangladesh series in England - Lords and Oval will be packed.
A Bangladesh series in Australia will have enough numbers too.
If India play in Bangladesh, Dhaka will come to a standstill.
Big 3 not wanting to play with Bangladesh because it doesn't make any money is a bullshit reason and has always been one.
cnerd123
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I was pretty certain it was because the Big 3 are covered by TV Channels who don't have a stake in BD, and so can't really make money off them, but if Star Sports is popular all over BD and also have the rights to broadcast BD cricket then there is quite a lot of money to be made playing them...
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Closer to 8 Australias, and 3 Englands. And on top of that I'd hazard that the percentage of the population in Bangladesh that actually cares about cricket would be astronomically larger than Australia or England.
Black_Warrior
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And that's incorrect. Star Sports is huge in Bangladesh. Plus no matter who is the official broadcaster, a local Bangladeshi channel will pay top dollars to telecast it from them too. Any series in Bangladesh would also be watched by the Bangladeshis in England so Sky Sports come into play. There is a huge Bangladesh market in North America so your North American players - ESPN, Willow should come into play.
If cricket was actually smart about making money and understood how to do it, it would realize pretty fast that it doesn't need to rely on Big 3 at all.
Btw the figure of 161 million is the official figure and Bangladesh is not known for transparency and efficient government institutions that can conduct accurate census.
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honestbharani
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*insert Aadhaar card joke in here*
marc71178
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Problem is those grounds tend to be packed whoever plays in the series and the grounds can justify higher ticket prices for other nations so they'd naturally choose them instead.
srbhkshk
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The populations is like 1/8th of India and the average Bangladeshi earns about half of what an average Indian does, the proportion that cares about cricket is probably more than India, but they still aren't even 1/10th of the market India is.
AndyZaltzHair
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Huge following since 1999 but only some people who could afford satellites or other means had the benefit of watching bd playing in other countries. The rest had to depend on national tv if they telecasted. The real prospect of money generation occurred recently that now bd can afford having title sponsors outside the country and maybe owning telecast for local channels. A lot of money to be made now but that was not the case say when bd toured england last time in 2010.
Nicolas Tector
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Does Ireland have substantial cricket future ?
Although Ireland’s recent elevation to Full Membership as well as Test Cricket is testament to over a decade’s success both on and off the field, it would appear that some considerable challenges await Cricket Ireland over the coming years.
There is no doubt that many Irish cricketers have benefited hugely from their experience playing county cricket in England, facilitated by the ECB’s classification of them as non-overseas players. Many improved their techniques and knowledge of the game playing with and against professional players in a gruelling and arduous environment, facilitating the step up to international level. Will the ECB still classify Ireland’s players as non-overseas players?
If Irish cricketers lose this status, cricketers coming into the Ireland team in years to come may find the transition to international level from cricket in Ireland too great a leap. While it is clear that the three- (possibly soon to be four-) day interprovincial tournament has improved greatly since its inception in 2013, it is still some way off rivalling the County Championship in terms to both playing standard and quantity of fixtures. It’s impossible to step up from Irish club cricket to international cricket and to be expected to perform.
The state of the Irish team is also of immediate concern. Since last June Ireland have played seven of the world’s top eight teams in 10 completed ODIs, all of which were lost including some heavy defeats. The team’s four-day form, for so long immaculate, has also shown signs of deterioration, evidenced by an innings and 172 run defeat to Afghanistan in March. Although a number of teams elevated to Test Cricket struggled for a considerable length of time, none were in quite the same downward spiral at their time of promotion as this Irish team appears to be in.
This is a situation that doesn’t show signs of improving any time soon. Six of the team, including five of the top seven in the batting order that appeared in the heavy defeat at Lord’s last month, are over the age of 30. As Ireland begins to play Test matches in the next few years, a number of new caps will be presented, especially to batsmen. Exposing these young players to the most ruthless form of the game before they may be ready to compete could have disastrous long-term consequences on both their confidence and development as cricketers.
In the last five years, Ireland's juniors have been soundly outperformed in Europe by Scotland. They failed to qualify for the 2014 U-19 World Cup and only appeared in the 2016 edition because Australia refused to send a team to Bangladesh. In that small group of junior players who have progressed to the senior team, Stirling is the only genuine match-winner, while Dockrell's one-time mesmerising spin powers have waned so precipitously that he was cut loose by his county, Somerset, in 2015.
In contrast, Afghanistan's development system is thriving. Their junior sides have qualified for every U-19 World Cup since 2010. After finishing in last place in New Zealand that year, they made it to the Plate Final in 2012, finished in the top half of their group to reach the knockout stage in 2014, and won the Plate Championship in 2016.
Now that we have achieved Test status perhaps I am scared when Ireland starts to play tests then there is a chance it will replicate Bangladesh of early 2000s or even worse. On the other side, Afghanistan may prosper quickly at start due to its golden generation and probably has better prepared under age levels future generation cricketers in the ranks too.
Sources - Will Test status lead to Test matches?
Afghanistan soar above stumbling Ireland | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo
Although Ireland’s recent elevation to Full Membership as well as Test Cricket is testament to over a decade’s success both on and off the field, it would appear that some considerable challenges await Cricket Ireland over the coming years.
There is no doubt that many Irish cricketers have benefited hugely from their experience playing county cricket in England, facilitated by the ECB’s classification of them as non-overseas players. Many improved their techniques and knowledge of the game playing with and against professional players in a gruelling and arduous environment, facilitating the step up to international level. Will the ECB still classify Ireland’s players as non-overseas players?
If Irish cricketers lose this status, cricketers coming into the Ireland team in years to come may find the transition to international level from cricket in Ireland too great a leap. While it is clear that the three- (possibly soon to be four-) day interprovincial tournament has improved greatly since its inception in 2013, it is still some way off rivalling the County Championship in terms to both playing standard and quantity of fixtures. It’s impossible to step up from Irish club cricket to international cricket and to be expected to perform.
The state of the Irish team is also of immediate concern. Since last June Ireland have played seven of the world’s top eight teams in 10 completed ODIs, all of which were lost including some heavy defeats. The team’s four-day form, for so long immaculate, has also shown signs of deterioration, evidenced by an innings and 172 run defeat to Afghanistan in March. Although a number of teams elevated to Test Cricket struggled for a considerable length of time, none were in quite the same downward spiral at their time of promotion as this Irish team appears to be in.
This is a situation that doesn’t show signs of improving any time soon. Six of the team, including five of the top seven in the batting order that appeared in the heavy defeat at Lord’s last month, are over the age of 30. As Ireland begins to play Test matches in the next few years, a number of new caps will be presented, especially to batsmen. Exposing these young players to the most ruthless form of the game before they may be ready to compete could have disastrous long-term consequences on both their confidence and development as cricketers.
In the last five years, Ireland's juniors have been soundly outperformed in Europe by Scotland. They failed to qualify for the 2014 U-19 World Cup and only appeared in the 2016 edition because Australia refused to send a team to Bangladesh. In that small group of junior players who have progressed to the senior team, Stirling is the only genuine match-winner, while Dockrell's one-time mesmerising spin powers have waned so precipitously that he was cut loose by his county, Somerset, in 2015.
In contrast, Afghanistan's development system is thriving. Their junior sides have qualified for every U-19 World Cup since 2010. After finishing in last place in New Zealand that year, they made it to the Plate Final in 2012, finished in the top half of their group to reach the knockout stage in 2014, and won the Plate Championship in 2016.
Now that we have achieved Test status perhaps I am scared when Ireland starts to play tests then there is a chance it will replicate Bangladesh of early 2000s or even worse. On the other side, Afghanistan may prosper quickly at start due to its golden generation and probably has better prepared under age levels future generation cricketers in the ranks too.
Sources - Will Test status lead to Test matches?
Afghanistan soar above stumbling Ireland | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo
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