What does AB De Villiers need achieve to surpass Viv Richards as the ODI's greatest

[OverratedSanity]

So in those 3 times he faced WI in the world cup he pounded 415 runs something that has not been replicated in any team. I'll let you look for another excuse
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So what you mean to say is that he's bashed West indies far more than anyone else....

 

[OverratedSanity]

I'll probably rate AB higher than Viv if he tears it up in 2019 and plays a couple of great innings against the better teams. It's a big if though... He'll be 35.

 

[Pratters]

World Cup wins matter. It's the most important ODI tournament. If Sangakarra was part of an ODI world cup winning side, I would have an easier time arguing for him against a Dhoni for instance who played a winning world cup knock. Sanga played big knocks but ended up in the loosing side sadly. Warne was so good in crucial world cup games. We all remember that.

 

[HashiraMadara]

I'll probably rate AB higher than Viv if he tears it up in 2019 and plays a couple of great innings against the better teams. It's a big if though... He'll be 35.

Even then I will still scratch my head before agreeing he's better. They are missing a very good point to use against ABD, strike rate. One simply doesn't pound 6000 runs at 90 in 1970s/80s and not boast such a point!

 

[HashiraMadara]

So what you mean to say is that he's bashed West indies far more than anyone else....

Ricky Ponting met them 4 times and manufactured 157 runs at decrepit average of 39.1 and Tendulkar 3 games with 76 runs

 

[srbhkshk]

So in those 3 times he faced WI in the world cup he pounded 415 runs something that has not been replicated in any team. I'll let you look for another excuse
Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

oh yeah Ricky Ponting met them 4 times and manufactured 157 runs at decrepit average of 39.1 and Tendulkar 3 games with 76 runs

Yeah, so he is a WI basher, right?

 

[HashiraMadara]

Yeah, so he is a WI basher, right?

Translate: I have nothing else to counter someone pounding 415 runs in 3 world cup matches while RP and SRT failed to do so...

 

[srbhkshk]

Translate: I have nothing else to counter someone pounding 415 runs in 3 world cup matches while RP and SRT failed to do so...

Change your translator.

 

[Shri]

Oh if you are complaining about not outs(even though that doesn't make any sense since ABD bats lower) here is a record without any.

Tendulkar made 2278 World Cup runs in 44 innings
That's = 51.77 runs per world cup games(removed not outs)

ABD made 1207 World Cups runs in 22 innings
That's = 54.86 runs per world cup games(removed not outs)



number of runs without any restrictions or filtering can be misleading like Ponting guy who claims 4000 more runs, 9 more centuries and 30 more half centuries make Ponting better when he played 148 more innings than ABD.

One of them played a lot of WC games in the 90s. Arguably the best era for bowlers post WW2. Go ahead, bore us with more base stats while shaking your head at us plebs. I am in awe of your intelligence.

 

[ImpatientLime]

you guys are the worst

 

[HashiraMadara]

One of them played a lot of WC games in the 90s. Arguably the best era for bowlers post WW2. Go ahead, bore us with more base stats while shaking your head at us plebs. I am in awe of your intelligence.

"arguably the best era for bowlers" Yeah, go on singing that tune

Overall figures
Decade Players Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI Ave Ascending Econ SR 4 5
1970s 277 82 895 46208 2832 1044 6/14 27.13 3.67 44.2 29 10

1980s 442 516 5792 277528 191583 6180 7/51 31.00 4.14 44.9 125 46

2000s 1018 1405 16804 734375 583972 18027 8/19 32.39 4.77 40.7 430 164

1990s 679 933 11183 505730 373736 11499 7/37 32.50 4.43 43.9 245 101

2010s 866 936 11387 488536 415640 12614 7/12 32.95 5.10 38.7 370 122


I am very very sure.

One switching into being an opener to cash on power play and gaps, having a super destructive partner(keeping his wicket).

 

[Tec15]

Sachin was "amazing" in World Cups when it comes to piling on the runs in matches against Kenya and Namibia. Less so in the Finals, where he failed (Choked) both times he played.

 

[honestbharani]

yeah all those Ind-Pak games were so meaningless....

 

[Pratters]

Sachin was "amazing" in World Cups when it comes to piling on the runs in matches against Kenya and Namibia. Less so in the Finals, where he failed (Choked) both times he played.

Choke is such a misused word in sport.

 

[OverratedSanity]

you guys are the worst

Nah, don't be a boring old man. Player comparison pissing contests are awesome. Richard and tec need to come back.

 

[Pratters]

AWTA




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[Pratters]

Ricky Ponting met them 4 times and manufactured 157 runs at decrepit average of 39.1 and Tendulkar 3 games with 76 runs

That doesn't say any thing for or against any argument being had.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sachin was "amazing" in World Cups when it comes to piling on the runs in matches against Kenya and Namibia. Less so in the Finals, where he failed (Choked) both times he played.

I'm sure AB would have loved the opportunity to choke in a final too tbh

 

[tobe_ornot2]

Well it seems eveyrone has run out of arguments on how AB could become bettert han Viv, and more relevantly, reach the spot above Ponting and/or Tendulkar. End the thread.

 

[Pratters]

So Sir Viv comes at:

innings 167
not outs 24
runs 6721
HS 189*
avg 47.00
balls faced 7451
strike rate 90.20
100s 11
50s 45

He played those 167 innings over 10 years. Missed a few matches meaning it was never consistent to get an ODI series those days. Never wore helmet, never batted in a power play, no field restrictions, avg pitch sizes were bigger and to top it off he had thinner bats.

His ODI average is something of wonders. His debut was in 1975 by 1980 with over 1000 runs and 26 matches, he was averaging over 60. it gradually decreased a bit, by 1987 he had played over 100 ODI matches and innings with almost 5000 ODI runs with average still above 50. As old as he was he refused to give up the game. Slogged his way to 167 ODI innings, his averaged dropping to 47 in the end. One thing remained constant, his strike rate at 90.

So the word King Viv clearly comes from striking the ball at 90 across all bowlers over a decade with no slowing down.

Such a record seemed untouchable until ABD. Now here is a contrast, ABD did the opposite of Viv Richards. Started slow and average, later on rocketed and left everyone behind by some gap.

AB De Villiers:

innings 207
not outs 38
runs 9175
HS 162*
avg 54.28
balls faced 9160
strike rate 100.16
100s 24
50s 52

Now the man seems to be destined for greatness. Let's why I compare the two and ask this question. Some advantages ABD has: thicker bats, smaller grounds, helmet, power plays, fielding restrictions...

As the opposite of Viv Richards, his first 3 years in old were quite average and comparable to his peers. His first ODI 2005, after 3 years he had played 62 matches accumulated 2002 runs at 37.07. You won't guess what happens next. After this horrid start to a career the man changed batting position to 4/5, his record from 2008 - now is
innigns 145
not outs 32
runs 7137
HS 162*
avg 63.15
balls faced 6791
strike rate 105.09
100s 21
50s 40

this seems what a current batsman must have to finally surpass Lord Viv isn't it? Avg of 63 and strike rate of 105 over 9 years and 145 innings! If you are watching him right now, he isn't slowing down but keeps on piling runs over runs!

This is exactly how people used to argue Kallis greater than Sobers.