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***Official*** Australia in India 2017

OverratedSanity

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vcs said:
This is a classic fallacy of underrating performances that put your team in a dominant position starting from a neutral one as "downhill skiing" or whatever. Apart from the chancy knock in the first game where Australia were already in the lead, none of this stands to any scrutiny. Sachin used to get this **** all the time as well.

Even in that first game, he came in on a minefield at 10/1 with Ashwin bowling like a dream. If they'd got shot out under 150 or even 100 (which no doubt would have happened without his century), India might have approached the chase with a completely different mindset and possibly even won it.
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We were never winning that first game after that horrendous first innings but agree with the rest. Awful analysis from centurymaker.
 
Spark

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The comment about the tail at Ranchi is stupid as well. He batted just fine with O'Keefe, the problem is that the tail folded so quickly (and so abjectly) that he didn't have any time to accelerate. You can't claim he didn't try to shepherd the strike when Haze ran himself out when Smith tried to do exactly that.

No amount of shepherding or acceleration will do anything if the field is properly set and the last two batsmen can't even last more than 8 balls between them.
 
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Shri

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How good is it going to be to watch Rabada bowl to Rahul, Pujara, Rahane and Kohli later this year? If Shami and Umesh bring their best to the table in SA, it will be a thriller of a series. Will be the perfect time to snag a series win with Abdv not playing tests and Amla looking out of touch.
 
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M0rphin3 said:
Just caught up with the highlights.

What a series. Smith's legit a ****ing ledge. So good that now my signature looks legit fine in a non facetious way. And Kohli sucking dick throughout the series and being salty was fun to watch.

And I've always disliked Jadeja for some odd reason, but WAG - totally aced the **** out of the series.

Also, hoping to see more of Cummins soon. Fiery stuff.
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Amazing sig.
 
Gob

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centurymaker said:
Yea, that's why I previously said he's sort of justified in what he has said.

Regarding his low scores, even against New Zealand, he failed in the first two tests (4 innings) and then scored a double! So its not too big a deal.

While he failed in the first two tests, in the 3rd, he was clearly injured/ hampered in his batting movement during his passive 30 ball stay, otherwise Im sure he would've made some contribution then on a flat pitch or in the last game where there was nice bounce, unlike the first two tests which had really difficult pitches.

And as good as Smith is, even he got just the 1 significant score in 4 innings of the first two tests on difficult pitches. After that, he won two tosses in thr 3rd & 4th game and had really friendly batting conditions to start with and capitalised like no one does. But in the 2nd innings of both of the games he let himself and his team down with the way he got out on both occasions. (Almost cost his team in the 3rd Test too). So basically everyone fails. Cricket is like that.

And it looks like by the time Kohli plays next, he will have been out for more than a month. I was personally really looking forward to them playing together- ABD, Kohli, Gayle and Watson.

It sucks he's ****ed his shoulder and even when he returns he may not be smashing the ball like before (when given the opportunity at times).
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centurymaker said:
I just realized that Smith - in addition to his 100s, he really needed to get 1 50+ score to take his side home. It would have made all the difference in Bangalore or here in Dharmasala. He missed out on playing an impactful innings when needed.

Im going to be very critical of Smith below but I do believe he's easily the best batsman in the world!


He only really performed when his team was truly on top, not when the chips were down.

1st Test, Australia already had a 160-170 run lead going into the 2nd innings when he got a partially lucky ton although pitch was difficult.

In 2nd Test, a 50+ score in either of the innings would have almost sealed the series! But difficult pitch and he was unsuccessful in the whole game.

In 3rd Test, the pitch on day one was an absolute pancake, Australia lost 4 wickets that day and almost all were gifts. Nobody looked like getting out and Australia should have been only one or two down.
And in 2nd innings, Smith's brain fade almost led to a defeat. But batting through the 1st innings was really good indeed but he should have accelerated with the tail, instead he didn't want to get out, but was ok with running out of partners.


In the 4th Test, Smith got out at the wrong time, he and Warner had made best use of the conditions first up and then both fell when things became a bit tricky from 131/0 to 300 all out! And in the 2nd innings, Smith got ahead of himself and thought he could smash every ball when the situation demanded otherwise..

So Smith tbh had it easy, people are looking at his 3 scores and not the circumstances and are ignoring his 5 low scores. When in fact, in such a form he needed to contribute more especially when needed! Look at Rahul, Pujara (or Kohli in previous series).. the consistency was there and that was essential and scoring in critical situations..or impactfulness, also look at Jadeja or Saha. Truly chipping in when you are behind. A 50 in such circumstances is better than a 100 in easier times, so I agree with Michael Clarke, stats are misleading, it's the impact you have on the games.



Pujara arguably made greater contribution than Smith in the series.
His 90 in Bangalore when India were trailing by 87 runs and were 4 down for almost no lead on THAT pitch.. It was worth double in such circumstances and with Australia on fire!

In 3rd Test, his double ton over day 3 & 4 and after being 320/6 is truly special. Pitch had some assistance by then and India could've lost the game & the series there and then if they had folded. But instead, he fought hard and absorbed the pressure for one more whole day and inch by inch allowed India to get totally on top by the end with team score of 600. One criticism of him would be that he should have accelerated a bit earlier and that may have gave India enough time to win the game. But regardless, it was a special innings.
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Really miss the original thing but this will do for now.
 
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Shri said:
How good is it going to be to watch Rabada bowl to Rahul, Pujara, Rahane and Kohli later this year? If Shami and Umesh bring their best to the table in SA, it will be a thriller of a series. Will be the perfect time to snag a series win with Abdv not playing tests and Amla looking out of touch.
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Can't imagine Rahane is looking forward to it much.
 
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Didn't he get out at least a few times to pacers during this series, and the England one?

If you think there is a lot of pulling and hooking in South Africa you haven't watched their seam attack much. Bouncier the pitch, the fuller they bowl. That's part of the reason they are so quality.

Apart from Morkel obviously who bowls the same length in Jo'burg or on Mars.
 
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91Jmay said:
Didn't he get out at least a few times to pacers during this series, and the England one?

If you think there is a lot of pulling and hooking in South Africa you haven't watched their seam attack much. Bouncier the pitch, the fuller they bowl. That's part of the reason they are so quality.

Apart from Morkel obviously who bowls the same length in Jo'burg or on Mars.
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He played Anderson and broad mostly very well in England. Struggled against Moeen.

Absolutely flayed Johnson and was great against Harris/Haze in Australia. Sucked against Lyon.

Was superb in SA and NZ in 2014 against their attack, which was pace heavy but had basically no spin bowling options. It's a clear pattern throughout his career so far. Very good against pace, awful against spin. I know it's odd because that's not what you usually associate with an Indian batsman but that's just how it's been for him.

And when I said pace and bounce I don't just mean pulls and hooks. That's actually a good plan to him since he's a very compulsive hooker. But his footwork against seam and swing, punches off the back foot and front foot driving against the pacers are all superb.
 
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Will be interesting to see how Saha goes overseas as well. Far from convinced by his batting TBH, but his form in the last couple of series should cement his place for at least 4-5 Tests.
 
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