Burgey
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No shortage of irony here, given kohli's comments after the second test.
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srbhkshk
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You mean the one wherein he did everything but use that word even though Smith had been caught red handed?
Burgey
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You can't say your opposition is systematically cheating without any evidence and expect to get let off by them. Whether he thinks it or not is no justification at all. It didn't happen. He cited two supposed examples while he was batting. No such examples exist. He either lied or he is as deluded as he seems to be at first blush.
He's manifestly unsuited to leading an international cricket team. Great batsman but that's where it ends.
Burgey
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Nah not always.
srbhkshk
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So what are you supposed to do if you know the opponent are cheating but don't have evidence for it?
TheJediBrah
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See a psychiatrist.
If you "know" things that never happened that would your first port of call.
srbhkshk
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Not having evidence != Thing not happening.
TheJediBrah
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Except that there's clear evidence that what he claimed specifically didn't happen
centurymaker
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I just realized that Smith - in addition to his 100s, he really needed to get 1 50+ score to take his side home. It would have made all the difference in Bangalore or here in Dharmasala. He missed out on playing an impactful innings when needed.
Im going to be very critical of Smith below but I do believe he's easily the best batsman in the world!
He only really performed when his team was truly on top, not when the chips were down.
1st Test, Australia already had a 160-170 run lead going into the 2nd innings when he got a partially lucky ton although pitch was difficult.
In 2nd Test, a 50+ score in either of the innings would have almost sealed the series! But difficult pitch and he was unsuccessful in the whole game.
In 3rd Test, the pitch on day one was an absolute pancake, Australia lost 4 wickets that day and almost all were gifts. Nobody looked like getting out and Australia should have been only one or two down.
And in 2nd innings, Smith's brain fade almost led to a defeat. But batting through the 1st innings was really good indeed but he should have accelerated with the tail, instead he didn't want to get out, but was ok with running out of partners.
In the 4th Test, Smith got out at the wrong time, he and Warner had made best use of the conditions first up and then both fell when things became a bit tricky from 131/0 to 300 all out! And in the 2nd innings, Smith got ahead of himself and thought he could smash every ball when the situation demanded otherwise..
So Smith tbh had it easy, people are looking at his 3 scores and not the circumstances and are ignoring his 5 low scores. When in fact, in such a form he needed to contribute more especially when needed! Look at Rahul, Pujara (or Kohli in previous series).. the consistency was there and that was essential and scoring in critical situations..or impactfulness, also look at Jadeja or Saha. Truly chipping in when you are behind. A 50 in such circumstances is better than a 100 in easier times, so I agree with Michael Clarke, stats are misleading, it's the impact you have on the games.
Pujara arguably made greater contribution than Smith in the series.
His 90 in Bangalore when India were trailing by 87 runs and were 4 down for almost no lead on THAT pitch.. It was worth double in such circumstances and with Australia on fire!
In 3rd Test, his double ton over day 3 & 4 and after being 320/6 is truly special. Pitch had some assistance by then and India could've lost the game & the series there and then if they had folded. But instead, he fought hard and absorbed the pressure for one more whole day and inch by inch allowed India to get totally on top by the end with team score of 600. One criticism of him would be that he should have accelerated a bit earlier and that may have gave India enough time to win the game. But regardless, it was a special innings.
Im going to be very critical of Smith below but I do believe he's easily the best batsman in the world!
He only really performed when his team was truly on top, not when the chips were down.
1st Test, Australia already had a 160-170 run lead going into the 2nd innings when he got a partially lucky ton although pitch was difficult.
In 2nd Test, a 50+ score in either of the innings would have almost sealed the series! But difficult pitch and he was unsuccessful in the whole game.
In 3rd Test, the pitch on day one was an absolute pancake, Australia lost 4 wickets that day and almost all were gifts. Nobody looked like getting out and Australia should have been only one or two down.
And in 2nd innings, Smith's brain fade almost led to a defeat. But batting through the 1st innings was really good indeed but he should have accelerated with the tail, instead he didn't want to get out, but was ok with running out of partners.
In the 4th Test, Smith got out at the wrong time, he and Warner had made best use of the conditions first up and then both fell when things became a bit tricky from 131/0 to 300 all out! And in the 2nd innings, Smith got ahead of himself and thought he could smash every ball when the situation demanded otherwise..
So Smith tbh had it easy, people are looking at his 3 scores and not the circumstances and are ignoring his 5 low scores. When in fact, in such a form he needed to contribute more especially when needed! Look at Rahul, Pujara (or Kohli in previous series).. the consistency was there and that was essential and scoring in critical situations..or impactfulness, also look at Jadeja or Saha. Truly chipping in when you are behind. A 50 in such circumstances is better than a 100 in easier times, so I agree with Michael Clarke, stats are misleading, it's the impact you have on the games.
Pujara arguably made greater contribution than Smith in the series.
His 90 in Bangalore when India were trailing by 87 runs and were 4 down for almost no lead on THAT pitch.. It was worth double in such circumstances and with Australia on fire!
In 3rd Test, his double ton over day 3 & 4 and after being 320/6 is truly special. Pitch had some assistance by then and India could've lost the game & the series there and then if they had folded. But instead, he fought hard and absorbed the pressure for one more whole day and inch by inch allowed India to get totally on top by the end with team score of 600. One criticism of him would be that he should have accelerated a bit earlier and that may have gave India enough time to win the game. But regardless, it was a special innings.
srbhkshk
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I must have been hallucinating when the umpires warned Smith after his dismissal, Kohli's statement was generic - it need not specifically mean when he was batting - could just as well be when "we" were batting. How do you explain the drastic reversal in Australia's DRS success percentage after the incident - luck?
Compton
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Report it to the umpire/match referee.
You certainly don't go greeting to the press and then ***** out of using the 'c' word when that's clearly what you're saying.
TheJediBrah
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lmao you can't be serious
srbhkshk
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So, luck?
srbhkshk
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I agree with #1, #2 is just what you think about it, not a fact.
Contra
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Um and what does this clear evidence consist of?
TheJediBrah
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Must be. Training/practice, experience and judicious use can't be factors can they?
The fact that anyone can buy into this absurd theory is pure stupidity. You think somehow a person in the changerooms is going to get a replay up and analyse it then signal to the players in time for them to review it? Not to mention that they clearly don't look toward the change rooms at all if you just watch the coverage of when they're talking about reviewing it.
You would have to be an absolute moron to think there could be any truth to it. If anything that's sugar-coating it.
srbhkshk
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Where did the "Training/practice, experience and judicious" go after the second test? How do you go from basically a success rate of more than half to less than 10%?
If you want it to be done it can be done, It's easy enough to ask one guy to take the responsibility of concentrating on this stuff, if it can't be done than wtf was smith looking at after his dismissal? The crowd? Why did the Umpires intervene?
I am of the opinion that words like "moron" aren't quite necessary in a conversation, but I suppose you will need evidence to agree to that.
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No **** Smith had a brain fade and looked up --> irrelevant. That's not what's being discussed. The claim was that it was happening frequently which is plainly and obviously not the case if you watch any of the replays of the players when deciding to review.
How is this even being debated? it boggles the mind. "moron" is putting it lightly if anyone actually thinks there's any truth at all to anything Kohli said on the subject.
Burgey
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Virat batted in total for about seven minutes. He said it happened twice when he was batting. His wasn't a Hanif Mohammad effort - it's easy to check the footage. There wasn't even a shout, let alone consideration of a referral.
It didn't happen.
It would be like Smith saying after Vijay's catch that India has been claiming half volleys all series, done it a few times while he was batting then it being shown such things didn't happen. It's ****ed. Don't know how you can defend it.
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