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S Africa calls for its players to stay

artvandalay

State Vice-Captain
Yes I'm sure you know much better than these professional cricketers you actually represent their country

Of course it's not meaningless, but neither is it the be-all and end-all
Reality doesn't agree with this, getting paid roughly the same amount no one in their right mind is going to show the finger to their country to go play as a mercenary for a franchise or county if they had a choice. I don't have to be a professional to be able to come to this conclusion as in any ordinary job the concept of 'pride' doesn't really come into it.
 

TheJediBrah

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Reality doesn't agree with this, getting paid roughly the same amount no one in their right mind is going to show the finger to their country to go play as a mercenary for a franchise or county if they had a choice. I don't have to be a professional to be able to come to this conclusion as in any ordinary job the concept of 'pride' doesn't really come into it.
Uh, have you not been following what's been going on?

Suffice it to say that "reality" doesn't agree with you
 

Isura

U19 Captain
And Dane Piedt.

But the Piedt example shows this isn't necessarily anything to do with transformation. It's guys trying to secure their futures, instead of being on the fringes of the national side. According to the Cricinfo article on Abbott, he could get 100 000 pounds a season playing for Hampshire, that's about R1.6-million - that's a tidy sum.

Not sure what he gets being contracted to CSA but can't be more than that.
But remember he has to live in England and pay for most things with pounds. It's not nearly that much real money.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Reality doesn't agree with this, getting paid roughly the same amount no one in their right mind is going to show the finger to their country to go play as a mercenary for a franchise or county if they had a choice. I don't have to be a professional to be able to come to this conclusion as in any ordinary job the concept of 'pride' doesn't really come into it.
Playing for South Africa, particularly if you're a white fringe player, doesn't offer the same long term security that a county deal does.
 

Marius

International Debutant
This misses the point. The fact that most test cricketers come from a small group of elite schools is a huge part of the problem - it's not an excuse or justification for why there has been a dearth of black cricketers.

That most cricketers come from a small group of schools indicates that little progress has been made to dismantle the systems apartheid put up. The fact that black cricketers struggle to make the transition from school/provincial cricket is linked very strongly to the fact that the identification of talented teenagers predominantly takes place at a handful of elite schools, while players from non-traditional areas have to be outrageously talented to get the same attention.

I think that is a big motivation behind CSA's quotas. It will hopefully force franchises to cast their nets wider and start to identify and develop players who aren't from the same elite (often very white) recruitment areas that they've always focussed on.

If you do get large participation in grassroots cricket, common sense would dictate that you will get cohorts of black cricketers coming through. You just need to start nurturing them at higher levels rather than ignoring them and pretending a problem doesn't exist.
One of the issues with quotas in SA as they currently are, is that someone like Kagiso Rapulana, who averages 23 in FC cricket (and doesn't bowl) is batting number five for the Lions (in a game where he made six runs in two innings). This doesn't help disadvantaged people into the game or spread it, but probably keeps good cricketers away from the sport actually.
 

Marius

International Debutant
But remember he has to live in England and pay for most things with pounds. It's not nearly that much real money.
Is 100 000 pounds not that much? It seems a fair amount to me? How much is it in real money/magic beans/Eskimo beads?
 

vcs

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Is 100 000 pounds not that much? It seems a fair amount to me? How much is it in real money/magic beans/Eskimo beads?
I don't know. Obviously it's a lot for us mere mortals but bang average PL footballers make that in a week. Whereas Abbott is one of the best 10 quicks in the world right now, arguably top 5.
 

artvandalay

State Vice-Captain
Uh, have you not been following what's been going on?

Suffice it to say that "reality" doesn't agree with you
How come? Franchises pay players more than their countries would generally for a 1 month league and in the case on the non- big 3 much more but how many do you think would give it up for more money and security even on the off chance that they believe they have a good chance of playing for their country ? Both are jobs but one clearly means more doesn't it ?
 

artvandalay

State Vice-Captain
Playing for South Africa, particularly if you're a white fringe player, doesn't offer the same long term security that a county deal does.
Yea but didn't he say that the money you get for being a contracted SA player wasn't much less than what he was getting at Hampshire? I guess he didn't factor in that Steyn would get injured so often a year back. The IPL paycheck would have helped too.
 

TheJediBrah

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How come? Franchises pay players more than their countries would generally for a 1 month league and in the case on the non- big 3 much more but how many do you think would give it up for more money and security even on the off chance that they believe they have a good chance of playing for their country ? Both are jobs but one clearly means more doesn't it ?
Don't know, I'm not the one to ask tbh. If you get a hold of Rossouw or Abbott ask them and let us all know!
 

artvandalay

State Vice-Captain
Don't know, I'm not the one to ask tbh. If you get a hold of Rossouw or Abbott ask them and let us all know!
They're not nailed-on regulars thus making them exceptions rather than the rule and my question was rhetorical, players don't quit their countries to play in franchises generally if they can help it. The appeal to authority isn't needed.
 

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