***Official*** England in India 2016/17

[Zinzan]

There is no new level. Dhoni won the 50 over World Cup, the T20 World Cup, the Champions Trophy, the CB series in Australia and pretty much every major ODI team achievement there is atm. Would be surprised if Kohli even matches Dhoni as a limited overs captain.

That seems like a pretty unreasonable limitation you've put on things. You've basically decided in advance that it's impossible to be a better skipper & get the team reaching new heights that Dhoni did.

End of conversation then.

 

[centurymaker]

Out of the 6 T20 championships till date, Dhoni has won just 1 (the first one.. when teams were that familiar with the format). Yes, made a final of another one, and probably couple of semis but in T20Is that's not the best record ever, it can be surpassed

 

[centurymaker]

Actually it's worse..

2007 -Won
2009 - Finished last in Super 8s!
2010 - Finished last in Super 8s!
2012 - Narrowly missed out on Semis
2014 - Final
2016 - Semis

The last two had better results- massively due to Kohli..

India would've had an embarrassing first round exit at home in the T20 WC last yr too if not for Bangla capitulation and Kohli magic against Australia.

 

[Zinzan]

Out of the 6 T20 championships till date, Dhoni has won just 1 (the first one.. when teams were that familiar with the format). Yes, made a final of another one, and probably couple of semis but in T20Is that's not the best record ever, it can be surpassed

Yeah it's weird logic from some here who appear to have decided in advance that he can't be bettered.

I don't know for sure, & I realize test matches are different and that most are talking about his ODI prowess here, but I've never seen an Indian side field the way they have under Kohli in recent test matches, so I don't think it's a big stretch to think the same level of improvement may happen in their white form cricket.

Also speaking of tactics, to this day I'll never know what was going on in Dhoni's mind when India were chasing Australia's big total in the 2015 WC semi. I get it's only one game, so it's possibly unfair picking on it, but I was just flabbergasted how he appear to seemingly give up the chase early when batting, something I could never imagine Kohli doing. That was my take on that semi anyway.

 

[honestbharani]

Who said he can't be better than Dhoni? It's juz us pointing out how well one has to do to be better than Dhoni. It's an indication of how good MSD was as a LO skipper.

 

[Prince EWS]

Who said he can't be better than Dhoni?

Shri.

There is no new level.

Shri is silly though tbf.

 

[honestbharani]

TBF, defining level the way we generally do, I can kinda see Shri's point. MSD is in the very top level of LO skippers, esp. when you limit it to India. No matter Kohli achieves I do not see him reach a level that is going to be higher than MSD. He can be at the same level and still be better though. But the fact is he would have done well to even match MSD as a LO skipper. Which was the original point I made in response to Zinzan.

 

[Shri]

That seems like a pretty unreasonable limitation you've put on things. You've basically decided in advance that it's impossible to be a better skipper & get the team reaching new heights that Dhoni did.

End of conversation then.

Don't be a crab. I'll be the first to admit his superiority if he wins 2 WCs.

 

[Zinzan]

Don't be a crab. I'll be the first to admit his superiority if he wins 2 WCs.

Pleased to hear you've changed your tune.

 

[Shri]

Pant has been called up to the T20 side.

Kohli ringing in some changes already. Yuvraj...well, it looks like a 50/50 call considering his age but we'll wait for a bit and see what happens.

 

[Burner]

Yuvraj should be banned from any t20 side. Incapable of getting out when he's out of form.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I wonder how much longer England can drag out the Cook decision?

For the record just 17 days since England lost the last Test. 25 days since the series was over as a contest.

Typical ECB cluster****.

 

[Gnske]

The only drag Cook should be taking is a bat fat drag out of a fat blunt of smokey grass.

 

[Shri]

You seem to have found it already.

 

[theegyptian]

I wonder how much longer England can drag out the Cook decision?

For the record just 17 days since England lost the last Test. 25 days since the series was over as a contest.

Typical ECB cluster****.

It's also 6 months until the next test. Hardly a pressing matter.

 

[Scaly piscine]

It's also 6 months until the next test. Hardly a pressing matter.

It's typical of ECB's complete ****ing uselessness and dickheadishness. With another news item today being the ECB managing to lose a long term sponsor. With the ECB it's like are they bigger muppets than they are verminous scum, and it's a very tough call.

It isn't productive for this to be lingering over the team. The limited overs stuff comes shortly.

 

[Noah]

It's typical of ECB's complete ****ing uselessness and dickheadishness. With another news item today being the ECB managing to lose a long term sponsor. With the ECB it's like are they bigger muppets than they are verminous scum, and it's a very tough call.

It isn't productive for this to be lingering over the team. The limited overs stuff comes shortly.

How is this a bad move by the ECB? This is a call on the captaincy that will impact the team for the next few years - surely it is better to take all the time needed rather than rushing it because it's a slow news day and people are impatient.

Besides, even if Cook does step down its hardly going to make a difference to the team's fortune if the decision is slightly delayed. I don't think it will matter at all if Root finds out he's captain today or in a week from now.

 

[Scaly piscine]

How is this a bad move by the ECB? This is a call on the captaincy that will impact the team for the next few years - surely it is better to take all the time needed rather than rushing it because it's a slow news day and people are impatient.

Besides, even if Cook does step down its hardly going to make a difference to the team's fortune if the decision is slightly delayed. I don't think it will matter at all if Root finds out he's captain today or in a week from now.

If they can't come to a decision on this pretty quickly they don't deserve to be in the job.

Cook keeps making noises that he doesn't fancy it. His captaincy has been rubbish.

Not a difficult decision.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Yeah but let him go in his own time, no need to rush in and make a decision as we don't play again till July.

 

[Noah]

If they can't come to a decision on this pretty quickly they don't deserve to be in the job.

Only if you think that the quality of a decision is primarily based on the speed at which it is made.

I don't have that much of a problem with Cook's captaincy tbh. There is always room for improvement but I don't see it as a critical item in improving England's performances.