Another cricketing myth

[neville cardus]

I played a game on matting last weekend. It was fast and springy, and to that extent a poor fit for my legbreaks, so I took instead to ripping a few top-spinners. It went well, but I was slightly irritated by the praise it won me. The umpire compared my style to that of Kumble and Afridi: "minimal turn, but loads of bounce." Which got me thinking: When did it become generally accepted that spin isn't spin unless it spins sideways?

 

[Spark]

It's far easier to tell when a ball has spun sideways compared to subtle changes in trajectory when a ball dips and pitches a metre short of where you expected.

Funnily enough, it's always the bowlers who bowl those sorts of deliveries who always get panned as taking "cheap" and "jammy" wickets, as if beating a batsman in flight and making them play loose shots then they aren't to the pitch isn't the most pivotal job of a spinner.

 

[honestbharani]

Lets not forget that its not apparently a "skill" when bowlers get the ball to land cross seam as spinners so that they wont turn when it misses the seam or else turns at varying quantities based on how much of the seam hits the pitch. Not like the length and line and revs are important in such cases, as well as the level of precision in the release and trajectory whence you get the dip and bounce. Ashwin explained it to Boria Majumdar in an interview. Pretty sure there is a youtube link for it.


EDIT: Its all "natural variation" of course. If it was so natural, why can't the visiting spinners do the same just as often to the SC sides.

 

[Daemon]

Funnily enough, it's always the bowlers who bowl those sorts of deliveries who always get panned as taking "cheap" and "jammy" wickets, as if beating a batsman in flight and making them play loose shots then they aren't to the pitch isn't the most pivotal job of a spinner.

Spark you never told us you were Nathan Lyon?

 

[neville cardus]

Lets not forget that its not apparently a "skill" when bowlers get the ball to land cross seam as spinners so that they wont turn when it misses the seam or else turns at varying quantities based on how much of the seam hits the pitch. Not like the length and line and revs are important in such cases, as well as the level of precision in the release and trajectory whence you get the dip and bounce. Ashwin explained it to Boria Majumdar in an interview. Pretty sure there is a youtube link for it.
EDIT: Its all "natural variation" of course. If it was so natural, why can't the visiting spinners do the same just as often to the SC sides.

If you can find that interview, I'd very much like to see it.

 

[Spark]

Spark you never told us you were Nathan Lyon?

Haha that post wasn't actually about Lyon tbf, it was more about Kumble.

If Lyon bowled 5km/h slower then he'd fit right into that bracket though.

 

[honestbharani]

If you can find that interview, I'd very much like to see it.

https://youtu.be/BwhxYDDvfPU

 

[cnerd123]

I played a game on matting last weekend. It was fast and springy, and to that extent a poor fit for my legbreaks, so I took instead to ripping a few top-spinners. It went well, but I was slightly irritated by the praise it won me. The umpire compared my style to that of Kumble and Afridi: "minimal turn, but loads of bounce." Which got me thinking: When did it become generally accepted that spin isn't spin unless it spins sideways?

Yessss

I'm a big fan of the 'spinners should spin the ball' mentality, but topspinners and backspinners are every bit as good. And much more likely to get you wickets at lower levels of club cricketer. Slog-happy batsmen think you're just bowling straight breaks and end up miscuing shots repeatedly.

 

[neville cardus]

Yessss
I'm a big fan of the 'spinners should spin the ball' mentality, but topspinners and backspinners are every bit as good. And much more likely to get you wickets at lower levels of club cricketer. Slog-happy batsmen think you're just bowling straight breaks and end up miscuing shots repeatedly.

They're also poor judges of flight, which makes the dipping toppie a lethal thing.