***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2016/17

[nzfan]

Bit of a difference between Glenn Phillips and Henry Walsh and Raki Weerasundara tbh. Phillips crushed it for Auckland A down at Lincoln two summers ago, Wellington's youth seems to want to hoist any old 20 or 30 up the flagpole and demand you salute it.

I hear ya but they are not even good enough to play the As? If they were good couple of years ago what changed then? Not everyone can score like Glenn Phillips but they do get picked up. Check other provinces, not every kid scored heaps or took loads of wickets but there is definite potential and they play them in the first class setup nevertheless. If they can't slot them in the first class at least they'll get a go at As. What have the likes of Finn Allen, Leopard, Nathan Smith, Zac Gibson done at rep or As in terms of runs and wickets? That said they are all seriously good. In a first class set up they can catapult their growth but not possible at club level. If there's potential it needs to be nurtured. If you're going to base your selections on just wickets and runs might as well pick top 6 scorers and top five wicket takers. We know that doesn't work.

I see the blokes going down the same path next in line are Sears, Gibson, Johnson brothers, Ravindra etc... They need a change of province now or it'll be too late.

 

[Slippaah]

The Aces will be frustrated by their failure to advance to the Super Smash play offs. Aces won the toss at EPOO at 3.40pm and batted when multiple extraneous factors were in play.The cards needed to fall the Aces way. Not least the weather in Auckland ( and Wellington ) ,the Firebirds result at the Basin, and the Aces tournament NRR .

After prolonged rain play in Wellington ( 2.00pm start - 5.00pm finish) was intitally reduced to 6 overs each, there was further ground delay, and the minimum 5 overs substituted.NZC Super Smash conditions specify that "Play should not be rescheduled to finish more than 30 minutes beyond the original scheduled close time under any circumstances in any match." Under the rules and notional times allowed for 5 over innings and innings break play had to commence at the Basin by 4.35pm in order to finish at 5.30pm. Insufficient time would mean a No Result. So when did play commence at the Basin? Curiously the updated standard Notes to the official NZC Scorecard eg; 20 overs changed to 6 overs match changed to 5 overs- are silent as to this sequence of events. Super Over play did not finish until after 6.15pm.

At Eden Park when play was halted by the weather WASP had the Stags less than 10% chance of winning while DLS had the Stags 11 runs in front. The DLS projection was used to record victory to the Stags and to calculate the Aces NRR. The Aces then missed the plays offs by 0.01 of a run. Tough luck Aces.

 

[_Ed_]

At Eden Park when play was halted by the weather WASP had the Stags less than 10% chance of winning

I would have picked the Aces to win from that point, but I didn't agree with WASP at all. I would have had it about 60-40.

 

[nzfan]

Bit of a difference between Glenn Phillips and Henry Walsh and Raki Weerasundara tbh. Phillips crushed it for Auckland A down at Lincoln two summers ago, Wellington's youth seems to want to hoist any old 20 or 30 up the flagpole and demand you salute it.

The Aces will be frustrated by their failure to advance to the Super Smash play offs. Aces won the toss at EPOO at 3.40pm and batted when multiple extraneous factors were in play.The cards needed to fall the Aces way. Not least the weather in Auckland ( and Wellington ) ,the Firebirds result at the Basin, and the Aces tournament NRR .

After prolonged rain play in Wellington ( 2.00pm start - 5.00pm finish) was intitally reduced to 6 overs each, there was further ground delay, and the minimum 5 overs substituted.NZC Super Smash conditions specify that "Play should not be rescheduled to finish more than 30 minutes beyond the original scheduled close time under any circumstances in any match." Under the rules and notional times allowed for 5 over innings and innings break play had to commence at the Basin by 4.35pm in order to finish at 5.30pm. Insufficient time would mean a No Result. So when did play commence at the Basin? Curiously the updated standard Notes to the official NZC Scorecard eg; 20 overs changed to 6 overs match changed to 5 overs- are silent as to this sequence of events. Super Over play did not finish until after 6.15pm.

At Eden Park when play was halted by the weather WASP had the Stags less than 10% chance of winning while DLS had the Stags 11 runs in front. The DLS projection was used to record victory to the Stags and to calculate the Aces NRR. The Aces then missed the plays offs by 0.01 of a run. Tough luck Aces.

At some point on TV yesterday it was announced there'll be no super over in a 5 over game and firebirds missed out. Then that decision was changed.


IMO its a fair call to have played the super over. A tie was not an option for the tourney right from the start.

 

[Kippax]

I hear ya but they are not even good enough to play the As? If they were good couple of years ago what changed then?

Well yeah Saffers came in and took their jobs from under their noses, didn't they. Considering Grant Elliott's been nothing but an asset to Wellington's cricket culture for 15 years, I suppose we have to be reasonably open-minded to going back to that well.

That stereotypical Christian boy capacity for decorousness and self-reflection, their slightly stronger in-built respect for elegance and restraint, slightly stronger in-built resistance to getting waylaid in alpha male pissing contests. It certainly all seems to help with keeping a young batsman's progress on track.

I mean, this 2016/17 Wellington club runs chart should be a bit of a source of ire to all local talents tbh, considering our club pitches are supposed are so dubious that they should require a certain degree of childhood local knowledge in order to fare well on them.

 

[straw man]

Yeah, pretty unlucky.

Even though they were behind by D/L, they definitely would have backed themselves to defend their total yesterday if it hadn't rained. Mahela and Worker were going well, but with Taylor not playing and Bruce in the Black Caps it was a depleted middle order.

Yeah exactly, a great start by CD but obviously DL can't take into account the quality of the rest of their batting and it was lower than it had been.

Yeah, Andrew Alderson had a piece last week suggesting he could be called up.

Alderson also covered some of the keeper prospects in November. Dane Cleaver is another who looks quite promising.

Cricket: Search on for next generation keeper

Seifert needs some performances then or might by usurped as the young explosive keeper-batsman that Blundell/Cleaver had to watch out for. This sounds less promising for Phillips' keeping though:

A growth spurt saw his back suffer what he describes as "a deformity" on the right-hand side. Doctors say he can play through the pain as long as he gets regular rest and completes a series of neutral stretches before any crouching.

 

[nzfan]

Well yeah Saffers came in and took their jobs from under their noses, didn't they. Considering Grant Elliott's been nothing but an asset to Wellington's cricket culture for 15 years, I suppose we have to be reasonably open-minded to going back to that well.

That stereotypical Christian boy capacity for decorousness and self-reflection, their slightly stronger in-built respect for elegance and restraint, slightly stronger in-built resistance to getting waylaid in alpha male pissing contests. It certainly all seems to help with keeping a young batsman's progress on track.

I mean, this 2016/17 Wellington club runs chart should be a bit of a source of ire to all local talents tbh, considering our club pitches are supposed are so dubious that they should require a certain degree of childhood local knowledge in order to fare well on them.

That's a classic Wellington selector's reply Are you a selector? Kidding mate. Again you're not getting the point. No where did I say it's the Saffers, it's your assumption. You are reading between lines and talking about saffers. The saffers that I know are fantastic and deserve every chance. They are generally hard working and are happy to go through the hardships.

I mentioned about guys that have come in and played no more than half a season or full season of club cricket are making it to As. Why don't they make them wait so that we can figure if they really want to play for Wellington. Grant was amazing at Naenae. He was the best thing to happen to that club and he did the hard yards like no other cricketer. Anyone from Wellington knows that.

There needs to be some sort of clause that should state unless a bloke has played out two seasons of club cricket locally they shouldn't be considered for As or first class cricket. Let me then see if these guys are happy to stick around and glorify club cricket. The first class already has an import quota so that's fine but the As is well and truly for development of local cricket. I would take a promising 18-19 year old home grown rep cricketer over a mid or late 20s cricketer from another set up that hacks to some cheap runs. If they have come from elsewhere then that should mean they weren't good enough to be considered for long term elsewhere don't you think?

If you are from Wellington you will have known 90% of those runs came on artificial and there's been no grass wickets till mid Dec. Stats are amazing, you can turn and twist to how you want to make it look. Scores against North City, depleted under 19s, Naenae and couple more clubs are as good as backyard cricket runs.

Again if your'e going to pick players only based on runs and wickets think again. You will have a dad's army with no long term vision. That is the current state of Firebirds. Like I said before if you picked guys with just runs and wickets, you will have guys that bowl at 100 k on dreadful tracks making up your team along with hacks that just hack in club cricket to get runs. If you still think the runs/wickets are the only barometer for selections we are talking chalk and cheese.

 

[nzfan]

Well yeah Saffers came in and took their jobs from under their noses, didn't they. Considering Grant Elliott's been nothing but an asset to Wellington's cricket culture for 15 years, I suppose we have to be reasonably open-minded to going back to that well.

That stereotypical Christian boy capacity for decorousness and self-reflection, their slightly stronger in-built respect for elegance and restraint, slightly stronger in-built resistance to getting waylaid in alpha male pissing contests. It certainly all seems to help with keeping a young batsman's progress on track.

I mean, this 2016/17 Wellington club runs chart should be a bit of a source of ire to all local talents tbh, considering our club pitches are supposed are so dubious that they should require a certain degree of childhood local knowledge in order to fare well on them.

I'm actually quite happy with the above stats you put out to be honest. That's quite good to see mostly local guys doing quite well :-) Majority of the runs are scored by guys that have been doing the hard yards in club cricket. I just wish those were considered ahead of half or one season wonders.

 

[jcas0167]

Seifert needs some performances then or might by usurped as the young explosive keeper-batsman that Blundell/Cleaver had to watch out for. This sounds less promising for Phillips' keeping though:

Yeah that is a concern. Phillip's looks good enough to make the T20 team with his batting alone.

 

[Slippaah]

At some point on TV yesterday it was announced there'll be no super over in a 5 over game and firebirds missed out. Then that decision was changed.


IMO its a fair call to have played the super over. A tie was not an option for the tourney right from the start.

Agree with you. The Super Over process is not considered part of the initial match so the Super Over was a fair call assuming the Firebirds match originally met the mandatory rules as to time. Play needed to commence by 4.30pm . If not No Result.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Agree with you. The Super Over process is not considered part of the initial match so the Super Over was a fair call assuming the Firebirds match originally met the mandatory rules as to time. Play needed to commence by 4.30pm . If not No Result.

I was there and going by the texts on my phone it started at 4:40. Perhaps they had a shorter mid innings break?

I'm perfectly happy with the decision, common sense to me would have allowed a longer game lasting until 7pm, particularly as the weather became very sunny, warm and pleasant.

 

[Flem274*]

lstewart rhodes is back. i thought he left?

nice to see peter younghusband in the runs

 

[straw man]

Top batsmen in this years Super Smash, min 200 runs, ordered by average.

Jayawardene has been extremely good, while Broom and Bruce stand out as having deserved their NZ callups. Phillips also exceptional and Blundell good, while Seifert didn't make the list and averaged 14.

Aside from those mentioned previously or already in the NZ side, it's quietly been a good season for Watling, Nicholls, M Bracewell and Brownlie.

Name	Matches	Inns	Not Out	Runs	HS	Ave	SRate	100	50
BJ Watling*(ND)	7	7	2	265	58*	53.0	114	0	3
DPMD Jayawardene*(CD)	8	8	1	367	116*	52.4	176	1	2
NT Broom*(Ot)	6	6	2	206	57*	51.5	140	0	2
HM Nicholls*(Cant)	9	9	3	302	67	50.3	148	0	3
TC Bruce*(CD)	9	8	2	283	74*	47.2	172	0	2
GD Phillips*(Auck)	10	10	2	369	116	46.1	143	1	3
CJ Anderson*(ND)	9	9	2	270	72	38.6	144	0	1
TA Blundell*(Well)	7	7	1	220	69	36.7	139	0	3
MG Bracewell*(Ot)	10	9	3	213	41	35.5	150	0	0
TWM Latham*(Cant)	6	6	0	206	82*	34.3	127	0	2
HD Rutherford*(Ot)	10	10	1	306	106*	34.0	156	1	0
MHW Papps*(Well)	10	10	2	251	80	31.4	121	0	2
DG Brownlie*(ND)	10	10	0	308	54*	30.8	139	0	2
GH Worker*(CD)	10	9	1	238	49*	29.8	120	0	0
MS Chapman*(Auck)	9	8	1	207	76*	29.6	154	0	2
HJH Marshall*(Well)	10	10	1	261	100	29.0	147	1	2
JA Raval*(Auck)	10	10	0	251	50*	25.1	131	0	1
PG Fulton*(Cant)	10	10	0	228	64*	22.8	121	0	1
RJ Nicol*(Auck)	10	10	0	225	68*	22.5	111	0	3

[thead] [/thead]

 

[nzfan]

lstewart rhodes is back. i thought he left?

nice to see peter younghusband in the runs

He's back and is among runs for the last couple of seasons.

 

[nzfan]

Top batsmen in this years Super Smash, min 200 runs, ordered by average.

Jayawardene has been extremely good, while Broom and Bruce stand out as having deserved their NZ callups. Phillips also exceptional and Blundell good, while Seifert didn't make the list and averaged 14.

Aside from those mentioned previously or already in the NZ side, it's quietly been a good season for Watling, Nicholls, M Bracewell and Brownlie.

Name	Matches	Inns	Not Out	Runs	HS	Ave	SRate	100	50
BJ Watling*(ND)	7	7	2	265	58*	53.0	114	0	3
DPMD Jayawardene*(CD)	8	8	1	367	116*	52.4	176	1	2
NT Broom*(Ot)	6	6	2	206	57*	51.5	140	0	2
HM Nicholls*(Cant)	9	9	3	302	67	50.3	148	0	3
TC Bruce*(CD)	9	8	2	283	74*	47.2	172	0	2
GD Phillips*(Auck)	10	10	2	369	116	46.1	143	1	3
CJ Anderson*(ND)	9	9	2	270	72	38.6	144	0	1
TA Blundell*(Well)	7	7	1	220	69	36.7	139	0	3
MG Bracewell*(Ot)	10	9	3	213	41	35.5	150	0	0
TWM Latham*(Cant)	6	6	0	206	82*	34.3	127	0	2
HD Rutherford*(Ot)	10	10	1	306	106*	34.0	156	1	0
MHW Papps*(Well)	10	10	2	251	80	31.4	121	0	2
DG Brownlie*(ND)	10	10	0	308	54*	30.8	139	0	2
GH Worker*(CD)	10	9	1	238	49*	29.8	120	0	0
MS Chapman*(Auck)	9	8	1	207	76*	29.6	154	0	2
HJH Marshall*(Well)	10	10	1	261	100	29.0	147	1	2
JA Raval*(Auck)	10	10	0	251	50*	25.1	131	0	1
PG Fulton*(Cant)	10	10	0	228	64*	22.8	121	0	1
RJ Nicol*(Auck)	10	10	0	225	68*	22.5	111	0	3

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Hamish Marshall has done all right. Surprised to see Murdoch miss out runs this season, he's our best bat by far. Surprised to see Papps in the list, never quite rated him as a twenty20 player. Good solid 4 day player though.

 

[_Ed_]

A combined XI might look something like...

Watling
Jayawardene
+ Phillips
Broom
Nicholls
Bruce
Worker
Nethula
Arnel
Rance
Mills

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Hamish Marshall has done all right. Surprised to see Murdoch miss out runs this season, he's our best bat by far. Surprised to see Papps in the list, never quite rated him as a twenty20 player. Good solid 4 day player though.

Murdoch hasn't even made the side quite a few times this season. Doubt if he'll play today. Pollard has probably taken his spot, he's been in great form.

 

[straw man]

Promising Otago Volts bowler Jacob Duffy sent to nets to fix action | Stuff.co.nz

Interesting, will wait and see how that works out.

 

[Zinzan]

A combined XI might look something like...

Watling
Jayawardene
+ Phillips
Broom
Nicholls
Bruce
Worker
Nethula
Arnel
Rance
Mills

Can't have Watling with a SR of 114 when all the other top bats are 140+ can you? Watling really just isn't a white ball batsman.

 

[jcas0167]

Henry Nicolls has had an excellent competition after struggling in Hadllee/Chappell. Fourth best average & a higher strike rate than Phillips, Anderson & Blundell. Looking forward to getting along to the Basin today. A stunning fine day at last too.