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***Official*** Pakistan in Australia 2016/17
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Zinzan
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Stealing my thoughts bro?
****'s sake
Howe_zat
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yes, though i included the addendum that i'm pissed off about it
quincywagstaff
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On flat pitches with decent bounce and pace, Oz have been great at batting in Tests for decades. The decline in the past decade on pitches that spin and (especially) seam. Maybe the new personnel will help, but hard to see this series being a viable guide for how they go in Indian or English conditions.
Starfighter
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365 runs in the day. Not bad.
quincywagstaff
International Debutant
I should add that the key to Oz's strength on pitches like this isn't their batting but their ability to get 20 wickets. Funnily enough, Oz pacemen seem to bowl better on pitches like this in recent years than in more seam-friendly English conditions.
Blocky
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But Smith... he's the greatest.
****'s sake
Daemon
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Quite a coincidence that the Pakistani bowlers are also averaging something in that ballpark
****'s sake
adub
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As glorious as Davey was, that was Renshaw's day.
Yes it's no guarantee he'll prosper against good swing, or spin on dustbowls, or even just teams that aren't beaten before they step across the line.
But **** me that was a quality knock from anyone. From a kid of 20 playing his 4th test it was gorgeous. The **** looked fresh as a daisy after 6 1/2 hrs in the centre too. That speaks to fitness, concentration, discipline, calmness. Just really mentally strong. Didn't go trying to keep up with Warner, didn't panic when Usman and Smith went, doesn't seem to remember playing and missing by the time the bowler is back to his mark. Even when he accelerated he never went overboard and lost his shape. As Spark said the contrast with Maddinson is stark.
One swallow doesn't make a summer, and I've said for a while we'll lose 4-0 in India. But I wouldn't bet against this guy having a reasonably solid tour and putting 300+ runs up over the 4 tests.
Yes it's no guarantee he'll prosper against good swing, or spin on dustbowls, or even just teams that aren't beaten before they step across the line.
But **** me that was a quality knock from anyone. From a kid of 20 playing his 4th test it was gorgeous. The **** looked fresh as a daisy after 6 1/2 hrs in the centre too. That speaks to fitness, concentration, discipline, calmness. Just really mentally strong. Didn't go trying to keep up with Warner, didn't panic when Usman and Smith went, doesn't seem to remember playing and missing by the time the bowler is back to his mark. Even when he accelerated he never went overboard and lost his shape. As Spark said the contrast with Maddinson is stark.
One swallow doesn't make a summer, and I've said for a while we'll lose 4-0 in India. But I wouldn't bet against this guy having a reasonably solid tour and putting 300+ runs up over the 4 tests.
Spark
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To be honest if he gets anywhere near 300+ for the series in India we're going to have a seriously good batsman on our hands (and we might anyway—you shouldn't judge what kind of player a Test bat will be one their first tour of India at age 20). I'd be happy with a bunch of 50s and lengthy stints at the crease at his stage of his career.
He's cashed in here, but he's still just a kid. We shouldn't be expecting that much from him yet.
adub
International Captain
Not betting against him isn't exactly the same as expecting him to average about 37.5 for the tour. (if we're going to lose all 4 - and we probably are - he won't have any no.s)
But even when he played and missed like it was the point of the game in Adelaide I loved how unaffected by it he was. I can't see any reason why being beaten by spin should affect him any more. It might be a case of him starting really shaky and by the end of the tour getting into the groove, but I've a sneaky feeling this kid's calmness at the crease might just see him finding a way to stay in and build some innings.
But even when he played and missed like it was the point of the game in Adelaide I loved how unaffected by it he was. I can't see any reason why being beaten by spin should affect him any more. It might be a case of him starting really shaky and by the end of the tour getting into the groove, but I've a sneaky feeling this kid's calmness at the crease might just see him finding a way to stay in and build some innings.
Spark
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I don't think he'll be affected by spin mentally per se, it'll more be that it'll just be such an alien experience for him that it'll uncover weaknesses he never even had an inkling about, and Ashwin and Jadeja are in ruthless form right now.
Having said that, the fact that he's opening might actually help because he might be able to at least get himself in against the new rock a few times first.
quincywagstaff
International Debutant
Agree about Renshaw being the story of the day despite Warner's heroics. Displayed all the aspects you want in an opener today, quality effort. And let's not forget Handscomb who couldn't have been more impressive in his Test career to date.
But yet again Pakistan have mentally checked out in a dead rubber of an Oz Test tour. Really disappointed with how their side has no stronger fortitude than previous touring sides have; all the same weaknesses and attitude on display that were there in their previous Oz tour, and the one before that and...
But yet again Pakistan have mentally checked out in a dead rubber of an Oz Test tour. Really disappointed with how their side has no stronger fortitude than previous touring sides have; all the same weaknesses and attitude on display that were there in their previous Oz tour, and the one before that and...
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Yeah, some runs for Younis and Misbah is all I really hope for now. Miserable tour.
quincywagstaff
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They could be semi-decent with the bat but can't see Younis and especially Misbah being part of it the way they've batted this series.
Looking back, most of us probably read too much into Pakistan's late fightback in Brisbane. Sure, it was unexpected, exciting and admirable but it masked the fact that they'd barely won a session on the first three days. Overall, been a big disappointment this series.
centurymaker
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Ofcourse, it's not.
Karun Nair got a triple FFS as his maiden ton! That tells us all we need to know.. That triple barely felt like a triple.. Run-scoring has become too easy with all the advancements & changes & p*** poor conditions. Need to seriously address the balance b/w bat & bowl.
Perhaps they bring in standardised bats, and for a start have everyone bat with similar kind of willows and ones that aren't so unfair on bowlers, where even top edges fly for six..