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***Official*** England in India 2016/17
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
It was brought up a few days ago but I'll go back to it. I don't think Dobell was too wrong with regard England and white/red ball balance.
England have looked to concentrate a little more on white ball cricket since the last 50 over WC, although roughly it only brings them into line with how other countries see the formats.
Things they've done are
Bring in Bayliss. White Ball experience was quoted by Strauss as one of the main reasons.
Central contract for white ball only players. Morgan.
Reduction in 4 day cricket in championship for next year.
Only 50/20 over Lions cricket in 15/16 winter. First time I can remember them only concentrating on white ball skills.
North v South 50 over cricket in UAE series. First time in 2017
T20 and 50 over played in blocks in 2017. Championship cricket has been moved to the peripheries of the season in recent times.
These changes had little or no impact on this tour with India.
The only thing I'd say is no lions 4 day cricket last winter meant they couldn't work with guys who were close to the test team and give them experience of foreign condions. Maybe Duckett would have been selected for that and would have been more secure - or not selected because they didn't think he was ready. Maybe they'd of had a look at Malan, Westley or whoever and made improvements and they'd have come in at some point. That hurt them to a degree although it's impact would likely of been minimal in the short term. Bayliss doesn't seem to have much clue when it comes to Asian 5 day cricket either but the personnel is average.
England are likely to see the results of these policies more in the future. Rather like in Australia where the Big Bash takes over a large part of the middle summer and first class cricket is pushed to the edges of the season and seems less important - the same is going to happen in England. Australia themselves look like they are going to struggle to recreate the great test teams of recent times. England were never even that good even when we mainly concentrated on red ball cricket - so what happens to our red ball team now when less focus is placed on it?
That said I don't think England have many options in that regards. Every other country seems to have their season defined by their 20 over tournament. And the signs are that England's white ball cricket is improving.
England have looked to concentrate a little more on white ball cricket since the last 50 over WC, although roughly it only brings them into line with how other countries see the formats.
Things they've done are
Bring in Bayliss. White Ball experience was quoted by Strauss as one of the main reasons.
Central contract for white ball only players. Morgan.
Reduction in 4 day cricket in championship for next year.
Only 50/20 over Lions cricket in 15/16 winter. First time I can remember them only concentrating on white ball skills.
North v South 50 over cricket in UAE series. First time in 2017
T20 and 50 over played in blocks in 2017. Championship cricket has been moved to the peripheries of the season in recent times.
These changes had little or no impact on this tour with India.
The only thing I'd say is no lions 4 day cricket last winter meant they couldn't work with guys who were close to the test team and give them experience of foreign condions. Maybe Duckett would have been selected for that and would have been more secure - or not selected because they didn't think he was ready. Maybe they'd of had a look at Malan, Westley or whoever and made improvements and they'd have come in at some point. That hurt them to a degree although it's impact would likely of been minimal in the short term. Bayliss doesn't seem to have much clue when it comes to Asian 5 day cricket either but the personnel is average.
England are likely to see the results of these policies more in the future. Rather like in Australia where the Big Bash takes over a large part of the middle summer and first class cricket is pushed to the edges of the season and seems less important - the same is going to happen in England. Australia themselves look like they are going to struggle to recreate the great test teams of recent times. England were never even that good even when we mainly concentrated on red ball cricket - so what happens to our red ball team now when less focus is placed on it?
That said I don't think England have many options in that regards. Every other country seems to have their season defined by their 20 over tournament. And the signs are that England's white ball cricket is improving.
Moeen has shown this year he can play short bowling ... when he doesn't hook. Why he started trying to play it again I have no idea. He'll get plenty of practice vs South Africa.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Actually it's more than a 3 week break..
(There are 25 days between last day of Tests and first ODI)
listento_me
U19 Captain
Yeah I get that but taking annual leave days is different from having days off.
Why are you counting weekends? lol
And of course, 4 public holidays (Monday and Tuesday are none working days in the UK too...apart from shops obviously) so really you're taking your annual leave days. That's fine but that's not what the England lads are doing. Stop trying to be clever guys -__-
listento_me
U19 Captain
I read it was 2 weeks...25 days is just taking the piss.
All these smart arses with their "I'm taking 18 days off!" but really are counting annual leave days can't even match the 25 days given to the English lads.
Na, that's plain stupid.
I reckon other teams should start pushing for similar break periods.
Compton
International Debutant
I just like pointing out how long I'm off work.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
FAO Shri
Adders
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, strange passage of posting tbh.
What I loved best about LTM's post was that we shouldn't be having a break because we played so **** in the tests!! Like the prearranged schedule should be changed at the last minute so we can cancel the players leave as punishment lol.
Shri
Mr. Glass
What?
listento_me
U19 Captain
When did I say that?
I'm saying the holiday season is excessive, a period of 25 days between tests/ODIs with the excuse being that this is the Christmas break. I've never heard of someone getting 25 day breaks for religious holidays, in sports or otherwise.
It does however become even more excessive based upon the quality of performances the players put in but that's neither here nor there.
I assume English isn't your first language so I'll let you off this time.
ImpatientLime
International Regular
the absolute state of you, getting legitimately booty blasted over a tour schedule.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
England do it all the time when touring India.
This time the break's a bit longer but getting the Test series over and done with before Christmas then coming back in January for ODIs is a tradition. IIRC last time round they played the T20s in December as well.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
The fact that a number of the English players seem to be playing in the BigBash atm might have something to do with the scheduling of this extended break.
Something similar to the IPL window etc..
Something similar to the IPL window etc..
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Thought Roy, Billings would be?
Adders
Cricketer Of The Year
You're right.......I thought Billings missed out with Morgan and Hales coming back tbh, but yeah they both are apparently.