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***Official*** England in India 2016/17

indiaholic

International Captain
Congrats to India on a crushing series win..I was reading a quote about England lost this due to not having world class spinners-sorry but jadeja is nowhere near a world class spinner-sorry(irrespective of his performance in this match). IMO England lost this series as not enough of the top order scored big runs to give the bowlers a chance..
Guess who is the number two ranked bowler in the world? :ph34r:
 

Rootfan

Banned
Kohli has a more complete record once you remove the worst parts of his record? Curious stuff.

I bet he averages more than Root if you ignore his ducks as well. Don't get me started on the comparisons if you ignore all the times Root passes 50!
Who said anything about removing bad records? I said Kohli has a more complete record, period.

Kohli has 5 tons in Australia, Rootie averages 17 there.
Kohli had a massive series vs Steyn/Philander first up. Root scored a ton as soon as Steyn went missing from the attack.In any case overall better record than Root.
In NZ Kohli scored some soft runs but has a miles better record than Root.
Kohli has a brilliant ton in SL, Root hasn't even played there yet.

Overall Kohli has 9 tons away from home, Root has 3 centuries away from home and 8 at home. Kohli has 6 tons at home and 9 away from home, it's not even close. Kohli has a test century in every country he has played except England and Bangladesh, Root does not. Root is only better than Kohli in England. I understand it's hard to accept because Botham's rhetoric makes one think Root is the "man for all conditions" but he isn't. Not yet, anyway.

As for pakpassion users who call themselves warrior, I'd hope next time they have the decency to quote me in a response. It's time they realised it's not pp where bashing Kohli and Smith is very fashionable.
 

Daemon

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Congrats to India on a crushing series win..I was reading a quote about England lost this due to not having world class spinners-sorry but jadeja is nowhere near a world class spinner-sorry(irrespective of his performance in this match). IMO England lost this series as not enough of the top order scored big runs to give the bowlers a chance..
It's a bit of both isn't it?
 

Bijed

International Regular
Congrats to India on a crushing series win..I was reading a quote about England lost this due to not having world class spinners-sorry but jadeja is nowhere near a world class spinner-sorry(irrespective of his performance in this match). IMO England lost this series as not enough of the top order scored big runs to give the bowlers a chance..
It's a bit of both isn't it?
Yeah, batting has not been stunning by any means, but on the whole it's been alright. I know the debates been had, but to me the fielding has been the biggest issue. You would expect some batsmen to struggle in these conditions and you would expect some bowlers to struggle, especially when your spin attack is as uninspiring as ours, but your fielding should drop off like that (I say drop off, it's been quite bad for a while now). The bowling would have looked a lot better had the fielding been of even just a more normal standard, let alone if we'd actually excelled in the field.
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
England's team for when they next tour India?

Try coming up with some spinners for that series. Could be anyone.
Cook unlikely to be around in 4 or 5 years time (or whenever the series is).
Who will have replaced Broad and Anderson? As much a mystery almost as the spin bowling.

Gulp
 

listento_me

U19 Captain
Congrats to India on a crushing series win..I was reading a quote about England lost this due to not having world class spinners-sorry but jadeja is nowhere near a world class spinner-sorry(irrespective of his performance in this match). IMO England lost this series as not enough of the top order scored big runs to give the bowlers a chance..

Yep. Jadeja is not a world class test spinner and shouldn't be destroying batting line ups the way he did with England.

England's batting has been woeful apart from the odd spark from Ali, Root or debutants. Completely spineless in the face of ordinary spin, with solid lines.
 

viriya

International Captain
Guess who is the number two ranked bowler in the world? :ph34r:
Which top 10 current test bowling ratings makes more sense:

R. Ashwin
R.A. Jadeja
H.M.R.K.B. Herath
D.W. Steyn
J.M. Anderson
M.A. Starc
J.R. Hazlewood
S.C.J. Broad
N. Wagner
Yasir Shah
http://www.cricketratings.com/

or

Rangana Herath
Ravichandran Ashwin
Dale Steyn
Yasir Shah
Mitchell Starc
Kagiso Rabada
Ravindra Jadeja
James Anderson
Stuart Broad
Kyle Abbott
http://www.cricrate.com/current.php?matchFormat=Test&disc=Bowling
 

Bijed

International Regular
Which top 10 current test bowling ratings makes more sense:

R. Ashwin
R.A. Jadeja
H.M.R.K.B. Herath
D.W. Steyn
J.M. Anderson
M.A. Starc
J.R. Hazlewood
S.C.J. Broad
N. Wagner
Yasir Shah
Cricket Ratings

or

Rangana Herath
Ravichandran Ashwin
Dale Steyn
Yasir Shah
Mitchell Starc
Kagiso Rabada
Ravindra Jadeja
James Anderson
Stuart Broad
Kyle Abbott
cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Bowling
The one with His Roundness at No.1, of course
 

viriya

International Captain
Also interesting stat that Ashwin only took his wickets @ 30+ series - not nearly as dominant. Jadeja though.
 

Bijed

International Regular
India themselves put down a lot of chances to be honest. Fielding was below par for both sides.
Yeah, but they were creating enough chances (and our batsmen were creating enough for them) for them to get away with it. The only real positives regarding our fielding were the not-unjustified fears that Bairstow would be an embarrassing liability behind the stumps not coming true and Buttler was pretty good.
 

Energetic

U19 Cricketer
Are England really a top side? 7 tests against Bangladesh and India, and the results read as 5 lost, 1 draw and 1 win. That sole win was a close one too. How will Australia be any different? No non-asian side should play more than 3 tests in Asia: it degrades the format.
 

Burgey

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Which top 10 current test bowling ratings makes more sense:

R. Ashwin
R.A. Jadeja
H.M.R.K.B. Herath
D.W. Steyn
J.M. Anderson
M.A. Starc
J.R. Hazlewood
S.C.J. Broad
N. Wagner
Yasir Shah
Cricket Ratings

or

Rangana Herath
Ravichandran Ashwin
Dale Steyn
Yasir Shah
Mitchell Starc
Kagiso Rabada
Ravindra Jadeja
James Anderson
Stuart Broad
Kyle Abbott
cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Bowling
Not the one which leaves out Hazelwood.
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
Yeah, but they were creating enough chances (and our batsmen were creating enough for them) for them to get away with it. The only real positives regarding our fielding were the not-unjustified fears that Bairstow would be an embarrassing liability behind the stumps not coming true and Buttler was pretty good.
Bairstow probably benefited to a degree, that England spinners were rarely good enough to beat the Indian batsmen.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
Are England really a top side? 7 tests against Bangladesh and India, and the results read as 5 lost, 1 draw and 1 win. That sole win was a close one too. How will Australia be any different? No non-asian side should play more than 3 tests in Asia: it degrades the format.
Yeah we get it. Don't be a parrot.
 

anil1405

International Captain
Except for Hazlewood not being there (should be instead of Abbot) the second rating is clearly better. How broad and Wagner are above Shah is beyond me and how Jadeja gets to no.2 lol
While you may have a point regarding Broad, Wagner has been nothing short of exceptional this year and his performances have somehow managed to miss the radar of some cricket fans.
 

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