honestbharani
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South Africa, Australia and England have all lost/drawn series at home and Pak have dropped tests at home.
What does that have to do with my post here?
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The Dismantling of India
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South Africa, Australia and England have all lost/drawn series at home and Pak have dropped tests at home.
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Here we go again with the myth about Pak's "away success". Before this year, they'd barely ventured outside Asia for 6 years FFS. Last time they did, they got smashed 3-0 in SA and only drew in WI and Zimbabwe (
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So their away success consists of one drawn series in England. Not remotely comparable to what SA have achieved.
).So their away success consists of one drawn series in England. Not remotely comparable to what SA have achieved.
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TheJediBrah
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I read it as you having a go at listento_me's posting, apologies if I misread the tone
well, technically almost every series Pakistan have played in the last decade has been awayHere we go again with the myth about Pak's "away success". Before this year, they'd barely ventured outside Asia for 6 years FFS. Last time they did, they got smashed 3-0 in SA and only drew in WI and Zimbabwe (
from a certain point of view
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"some success " is fair enough though. The 2-2 in England was undoubtedly impressive.Here we go again with the myth about Pak's "away success". Before this year, they'd barely ventured outside Asia for 6 years FFS. Last time they did, they got smashed 3-0 in SA and only drew in WI and Zimbabwe (
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OK fair enough, you're right about that. I thought you were talking more about the overseas thing.
honestbharani
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Lol.. the only thing I claimed there was that the pitches they played on against India in 2014/15 helped them as it accentuated the difference in quality between the bowling sides, Australia being the better bowling side. Tracks with more help for the bowlers would have brought them closer. A simple point which you seem to want to argue against for some reason. And I am honestly not going to get into the slow/low vs fast/bouncy thing about pitches again here. There are whole pages of posts for people to read through if they want to know our respective positions on it, if they can read between the insults flying back and forth.
honestbharani
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India won in WI and SL. So that is "great" success then?
honestbharani
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Wont be a sensible PoV given pitch is prepared by PCB curators.
honestbharani
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No one will even Bangladesh a chance to dismantle India. Tamim banging away their bowlers and the spin procession of Fizzy, Shakib and Mahmdullah would be too much for them!!!!!!!!&!
In b4 the ***** like.
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Pakistan's home record is undoubtedly overrated though. I remember posting many months ago how uae being a "fortress" was way overplayed,considering they'd dropped tests to SL, NZ, and SA. They've gone and lost a test to WI too since then, and weren't even that dominant in the series overall.
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In terms of away success, there's SA and then there's everyone else.
SA (won in England, Australia, NZ, SL, drew in UAE)
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Australia (won in SA, NZ, WI)
Pakistan (beat SL, drew in England)
India (beat SL and WI)
England (beat SA)
NZ (drew in England and UAE, won in WI)
I can barely separate the last 3, or even the last 4 in terms of away performances.
honestbharani
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That was the whole point. Trust ltm to post bigging up Pak record and ridiculing India every post in such threads.
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The schedules have been such that SA have barely played in the last 2 years. Can't penalize them for that. And clearly they haven't lost their away magic touch, as they showed in Australia. So I'm not willing to discard their results in SL, UAE, England etc., which were achieved with Smith, Steyn etc. and AB/Amla in top form. It could change in the next cycle, for sure. They'll find it harder to repeat. Then again, we said that before the Australia series, so dunno.
S.Kennedy
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Is it really such a concern if you are winning the entire series though? Since the UAE, they have played nine series 5w 4d 0L. I think most countries would be quite willing to drop tests yet end up with that series record.
listento_me
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wth are you on about? they have won test series' there and hammered test number ones England and Australia (think they were number one when they toured). I mean genuinely hammer. They also battered the Windies across all formats. Yes the test series was kinda close but Pak won 2-1 and the final match was a dead rubber and by that point Pakistan had been playing cricket consistently since the start of the English summer. A bit of tiredness is going to creep him. Especially considering the players are literally away from their families for most of the time.
Pakistan do not have genuine home field advantage.
honestbharani
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Not for winning series but given it is at home and other teams are winning and/or not losing a higher percentage of those games, and given that they dont cover themselves with glory away, it is gonna impact how they get rated. Pretty obvious why really.
