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***Official*** Australia vs New Zealand ODIs 2016/17

Moss

Moss

International Captain
This looks one-sided on paper. Australia have what looks like a full strength squad and will be extra keen to get their home season back on track. The bowling looks like it might be too good for NZ, at least on their own turf. Okayish NZ sides used to compete pretty well in Aus like in 2009, but not relevant any more. Would be cool if one of the batsmen outside the top 3 has a good series.

Elliott is missed for sure. "Love your work mate" was classic.
 
The Hutt Rec

The Hutt Rec

International Vice-Captain
Moss said:
This looks one-sided on paper. Australia have what looks like a full strength squad and will be extra keen to get their home season back on track. The bowling looks like it might be too good for NZ, at least on their own turf. Okayish NZ sides used to compete pretty well in Aus like in 2009, but not relevant any more. Would be cool if one of the batsmen outside the top 3 has a good series.

Elliott is missed for sure. "Love your work mate" was classic.
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NZ were helped by bad weather and unusually helpful pitches in that 2009 series ... the scores lowered which brought the sides closer and it almost seemed more like NZ conditions.

That said, I saw an article in the NZ Herald yesterday saying what a terrible record NZ has in ODIs in Australia - 18 wins out of 57 completed games. I'd have thought winning about a third wasn't too bad, and would actually compare pretty well to other sides in Aus? The article doesn't really specify if that includes games against other sides in World Series though. On my phone so can't really check myself on the crap cricinfo mobile site.
 
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Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
The Hutt Rec said:
NZ were helped by bad weather and unusually helpful pitches in that 2009 series ... the scores lowered which brought the sides closer and it almost seemed more like NZ conditions.

That said, I saw an article in the NZ Herald yesterday saying what a terrible record NZ has in ODIs in Australia - 18 wins out of 57 completed games. I'd have thought winning about a third wasn't too bad, and would actually compare pretty well to other sides in Aus? The article doesn't really specify if that includes games against other sides in World Series though. On my phone so can't really check myself on the crap cricinfo mobile site.
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Yeah on par with Pakistan and England only South Africa and West Indies are outright superior

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The remarkable thing about the West Indies stat is they've lost a good 17 in a row now.
 
straw man

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
SteveNZ said:
As much as it cuts me, I would too. Colin needs a release valve in List A/ODI cricket and probably won't have one on big grounds and a team that might know a bit about him (unsure how scouting goes in this regard). But in saying that, Nicholls just doesn't look to me to be any good. If we've got you saying we need him to play because the rest of our middle order is cake, then it really says how shaky our middle order is. All averaging 20 or so at ODI level.
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Unless the bowling is rubbish I can see Nicholls getting to 20(45) and then trying to up the pace and getting out. Not sure where the runs will come from.
 
Zinzan

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Tbf, Taylor when he doesn't go on is often dismissed with a 50% SR. Don't get me wrong, we'll miss him, but he has been a slow starter in recent years, which puts us on the backfoot when he doesn't go on.
 
social

social

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CA's attitude towards one day cricket seems to be "who gives a **** but it makes money so let's jam it in wherever we can."

Fact is that our players should be playing red ball cricket pre Xmas to prepare themselves for upcoming tests and it has left many short of a run and the fans either confused or apathetic
 
Zinzan

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social said:
CA's attitude towards one day cricket seems to be "who gives a **** but it makes money so let's jam it in wherever we can."

Fact is that our players should be playing red ball cricket pre Xmas to prepare themselves for upcoming tests and it has left many short of a run and the fans either confused or apathetic
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Possibly, although tbf it's the reality for all international cricket teams to have chop & change between the different formats without too much continuity in 1 form, it's not like it's exclusively an Australian problem.

Just a reality of the modern day international cricketing calendar.
 
Shady Slim

Shady Slim

International Coach
anyone up for a cummins injury sweepstake?

my money's on him lasting the summer this time around, i've got a feeling
 
NUFAN

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
social said:
CA's attitude towards one day cricket seems to be "who gives a **** but it makes money so let's jam it in wherever we can."

Fact is that our players should be playing red ball cricket pre Xmas to prepare themselves for upcoming tests and it has left many short of a run and the fans either confused or apathetic
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6 of the XI who played in Adelaide will be playing in the Shield, with a pink ball, not red though.

You could argue that both Smith and Warner need more time out in the middle batting to Test-like fields, but the impact overall isn't quite as bad as you making out. In saying that, I would rather this be a 4 Test series replacing the ODIs that don't really have much context.
 
S

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
The more Test matches thing, I totally get. The more of those everyone plays, the better. In saying that, I'm quite happy with the three ODIs over another Test v Pakistan, in terms of our schedule.

But the 'lack of context' thing I keep hearing in regards to this ODI series, I find a bit strange. Yes, it's been shoehorned in between two Test series which doesn't really work. But this is a Chappell Hadlee series, one that has consistently produced quality ODI cricket in its initial inception and again last summer. It's Australia v New Zealand. The World Cup champions v the finalists, who got one back with a series victory last summer.

Unless Australia don't give a **** about ODIs anymore, they should be fired up. As should we, to win over there - especially at the G where we copped a pretty solid humping in the final. I'm excited, and I don't usually care much for limited overs cricket.
 
Moss

Moss

International Captain
SteveNZ said:
But the 'lack of context' thing I keep hearing in regards to this ODI series, I find a bit strange. Yes, it's been shoehorned in between two Test series which doesn't really work. But this is a Chappell Hadlee series, one that has consistently produced quality ODI cricket in its initial inception and again last summer. It's Australia v New Zealand. The World Cup champions v the finalists, who got one back with a series victory last summer.

Unless Australia don't give a **** about ODIs anymore, they should be fired up. As should we, to win over there - especially at the G where we copped a pretty solid humping in the final. I'm excited, and I don't usually care much for limited overs cricket.
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On the "context" thing, I think its fair to say that the Chappell-Hadlee series has meant more to NZ (both players and supporters) than the Aussies. Without getting into NZ-is-obsessed-with-Australia or Australia-couldn't-care-less-about-NZ debates, I'm theorizing this is simply because Australia's calendar tends to be far more packed than NZ's. As a kiwi supporter, I can comfortably name my favourite moments from Chappell Hadlee encounters because we don't get a heck of a lot of fixtures through the year, least of all against Australia. So the memories are fresh. For the Aussies, at best this is one big ticket event among dozens in the travelling roadshow. Sure, the quality of cricket's been high for the most part, but in terms of context the series tends to get lost in the deluge of international fixtures.

Still, judging by the squad Australia have named they are taking this far more seriously than the South Africa ODI's, and losing at home is something they can't really allow to happen so I'm sure they'll be sufficiently fired up. Also worth remembering NZ's recent ODI record against them is respectable, they did beat them at Eden Park in the World Cup apart from the home series victory earlier in the year.
 
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