cricrate: new cricket ratings website

[viriya]

Yeah na not really. Modern players can still get into the earlier lists so you can rate all players at one time against the same criteria. No adjustments necessary.

Yes but then early era players that didn't play more than 30-40 tests won't feature in the filtered lists if I understand correctly? Part of the attraction of my current method is that the rating system is the same for everyone with no specific filters for eras so I would like to keep to that model and "fix" issue in more creative ways if possible.

 

[Daemon]

Try to get players to slot right in your model, rather than trying to get the model to fit them.

You need to adjust for eras imo.

 

[the big bambino]

Yes but then early era players that didn't play more than 30-40 tests won't feature in the filtered lists if I understand correctly? Part of the attraction of my current method is that the rating system is the same for everyone with no specific filters for eras so I would like to keep to that model and "fix" issue in more creative ways if possible.

Surely if there were more creative ways you'd have come up with something satisfactory by now. Besides if I understand the problem you are trying to apply a statistical adjustment. Sort of a cricrate version of accounting for "extraordinary items or seasonal factors".

Players with fewer tests would drop off eventually, but there would be one table where all players could be compared up to the 30 test mark. You could see how many filter through to the unlimited tests table or only begin to show up in later tables. Maybe you could then work out how hard it is for a player to make an early impact and maintain throughout his career. Should give an idea of how to set that penalty for players with shorter careers you were talking about earlier.

Otherwise you can adjust for eras and see how a player's ave differs from that of the era he was playing and compare that way across eras.

 

[viriya]

Surely if there were more creative ways you'd have come up with something satisfactory by now. Besides if I understand the problem you are trying to apply a statistical adjustment. Sort of a cricrate version of accounting for "extraordinary items or seasonal factors".

Players with fewer tests would drop off eventually, but there would be one table where all players could be compared up to the 30 test mark. You could see how many filter through to the unlimited tests table or only begin to show up in later tables. Maybe you could then work out how hard it is for a player to make an early impact and maintain throughout his career. Should give an idea of how to set that penalty for players with shorter careers you were talking about earlier.

Otherwise you can adjust for eras and see how a player's ave differs from that of the era he was playing and compare that way across eras.

Actually I have spent minimal time on this since the initial work since I've worked on new projects.. Hard to find time to improve things like this when there is no real clear benchmark of "better" ratings.

Let me try some adjustments to the penalty given to shorter careers and see how it goes first.

 

[viriya]

Otherwise you can adjust for eras and see how a player's ave differs from that of the era he was playing and compare that way across eras.

This is naturally done through the methodology of the rating system which accounts for era by adjusting ratings based on the batting and bowling ratings the player is facing and his team's performance.

 

[viriya]

I just pushed in a change that increases the tiered penalty for players with a <50 Test career .

Some notable moves:

Test Batting: cricrate | Career Ratings - Test Batting
- Dudley Nourse drops from #12 -> #24
- George Headley drops from #16 -> #35

Test Bowling: cricrate | Career Ratings - Test Bowling
- Sydney Barnes drops from #3 -> #5
- George Lohmann drops from #4 -> #13
- Bill O'Reilly drops from #5 -> #10
- Clarrie Grimmett drops from #9 -> #15
- Fazal Mahmood drops from #11 -> #17
- Ravichandran Ashwin drops from #15 -> #21
- Hugh Tayfield drops from #17 -> #23
- Charlie Turner drops from #20 -> #44

Test All-Round: cricrate | Career Ratings - Test All-Round
- Trevor Goddard drops from #3 -> #6
- Shakib Al Hasan drops from #7 -> #9
- Aubrey Faulkner drops from #10 -> #12
- Monty Noble drops from #12 -> #16
- Ravichandran Ashwin drops from #13 -> #18

 

[viriya]

I tweaked the Test batting formula so that only more significant contributions in a team innings get full credit for some of the minor factors like point of entry, wickets fallen, result and opposition bowling rating. This is to adjust how lower order batsmen seemed to be getting too much credit from those factors just by the nature of their batting position. Some of the moves in the Test career top 20 from this change:
cricrate | Career Ratings - Test Batting
- Shivnarine Chanderpaul #7 -> #8
- Viv Richards #8 -> #7
- AB de Villiers #10 -> #11
- Rahul Dravid #11 -> #10
- Jack Hobbs #18 -> #14
- Sunil Gavaskar #19 -> #16
- Clive Lloyd #16 -> #22
- Allan Border #14 -> #19
- Mahela Jayawardene #17 -> #20
- Len Hutton #21 -> #17

Also updated the ODI/T20I current ratings:
- Quinton de Kock reaches top 5 with his best rating: cricrate | Current Ratings - ODI Batting
- 3 South Africans in the top 5 in both batting and bowling - not surprisingly they also are #1 in the new ODI team ratings: cricrate | Current Ratings - ODI Team
- Mashrafe Mortaza reaches top 10: cricrate | Current Ratings - ODI Bowling
- Shakib Al Hasan and Mohammad reach the top of the current win share ratings: cricrate | Current Ratings - ODI Win Shares
- Glenn Maxwell reaches #2: cricrate | Current Ratings - T20I Batting
- Imad Wasim jumps into top 10: cricrate | Current Ratings - T20I Bowling

 

[the big bambino]

There is an option to put someone on ignore (which isn't something I want to do) so is there an option to put a thread on ignore so that I don't have to see it pop up on new posts?

 

[marc71178]

There is an option to put someone on ignore (which isn't something I want to do) so is there an option to put a thread on ignore so that I don't have to see it pop up on new posts?

Oh don't be like that. The updates always good for a laugh...

 

[viriya]

There is an option to put someone on ignore (which isn't something I want to do) so is there an option to put a thread on ignore so that I don't have to see it pop up on new posts?

Oh don't be like that. The updates always good for a laugh...

Appreciate these posts guys - helps me to remember to use my eyes and not spreadsheets

 

[marc71178]

Except you clearly don't when you come out with the tripe that you do, and yet again you're trying to be funny by referencing my title.

Like your rankings, your humour is shite.

 

[Howe_zat]

Viriya acting with a bit of class in the face of quite inexplicable rage

 

[the big bambino]

Really? You get that? Must be true the internet can't adequately convey emotions as you can't read body language; or so it's been speculated. Whatever - the subsequent jumping to conclusions is funny though.

 

[viriya]

Test update:

- Ashwin reaches #5 all-time current rating 1222 - behind levels only reached by Lohmann, Murali, Barnes and Marshall: cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Bowling
- Ashwin jumps to #14: cricrate | Career Ratings - Test Bowling
- Latham jumps to top of fielding: cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Fielding

 

[viriya]

Test update:

- Azhar Ali moves to top 5, Kraigg Brathwaite jumps into top 10, Misbah drops out: cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Batting
- Devendra Bishoo jumps to top 20: cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Bowling
- Bishoo with the #58 rated performance: cricrate | Performance Ratings - Test Bowling
- Ben Stokes with the #37 rated performance: cricrate | Performance Ratings - Test All-Round

ODI Update:

- David Warner, Jos Buttler reach top 5: cricrate | Current Ratings - ODI Batting
- Virat Kohli moves up to top 10: cricrate | Career Ratings - ODI Batting
- David Warner with #24, Quinton de Kock with #30, Virat Kohli with #74: cricrate | Performance Ratings - ODI Batting
- Mashrafe Mortaza moves into top 10, Shakib drops out: cricrate | Current Ratings - ODI Bowling
- Mortaza with the #91 rated performance: cricrate | Performance Ratings - ODI All-Round

 

[viriya]

Test update:

- South Africa jumps to #1, Australia drops to #9: cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Team
- Quinton de Kock jumps to #1, Voges drops to #7: cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Batting
- Herath replaces Ashwin at the top, Rabada jumps to #8, Abbott jumps to #13: cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Bowling
- Herath with #93 rated performance: cricrate | Performance Ratings - Test Bowling

 

[Prince EWS]

- South Africa jumps to #1, Australia drops to #9: cricrate | Current Ratings - Test Team

Seems a bit fickle, to say the least.

 

[OverratedSanity]

QdK number 1?wot?

 

[Daemon]

Australia #9 is very accurate. I'm sold.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

That Australia # 9 reflects viriya's methodology is accurate.

#believeinviriya