Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

[Midwinter]

Slippy's latest thread got be looking at Sobers' Cricinfo profile, which contains the following 'In a nutshell' information:

"While Bradman's status as the greatest batsman is increasingly under threat, no one raises an eyebrow at Garry Sobers being called the greatest allrounder. He broke the record for the highest Test score - 365 - at 21, could bowl left-arm orthodox, wrist spin and fast-medium, and was a brilliant fielder anywhere on the ground. He was also the first player to hit six sixes in an over in a first-class game "

I was surprised to read the bold section - admittedly I don't know when it was written, but does anyone have an idea who it's referring to or is it just hyperbole? The only person that I can think it would possibly refer to would be Voges, and even then it would make it a fairly tongue-in-cheek statement.

Is it because Bradman doesn't have many followers on twitter/instagram etc ?

 

[Midwinter]

good post

Wouldn't surprise that he parked closer to the hot dog stand

 

[marc71178]

Slippy's latest thread got be looking at Sobers' Cricinfo profile, which contains the following 'In a nutshell' information:

"While Bradman's status as the greatest batsman is increasingly under threat, no one raises an eyebrow at Garry Sobers being called the greatest allrounder. He broke the record for the highest Test score - 365 - at 21, could bowl left-arm orthodox, wrist spin and fast-medium, and was a brilliant fielder anywhere on the ground. He was also the first player to hit six sixes in an over in a first-class game "

I was surprised to read the bold section - admittedly I don't know when it was written, but does anyone have an idea who it's referring to or is it just hyperbole? The only person that I can think it would possibly refer to would be Voges, and even then it would make it a fairly tongue-in-cheek statement.

Seeing as it's Cricinfo my money is either on Kohli or Ravi Bopara.

 

[Gnske]

Darren Bravo's poor performances did not merit higher contract - Cameron | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Actually hope WW drops by to comment on this.

Contracts are dour business to me, but this is unbelievable to my eye. Best overseas batsman by far with only Brathwaite in his rear vision mirror and Samuels gets a higher contract?

 

[Daemon]

These points are calculated by an appraisal formula that compares the player's performance over the last 12 months to his overall career figures.

That doesn't sound right to me

 

[OverratedSanity]

That doesn't sound right to me

That's so dumb

 

[vcs]

I guess you could say it rewards improvement in young players. It'd be weird if a player averaging 20 at the start of a career got a better deal because he averaged 35 one year, compared to another guy who dipped to 40 one year, after averaging 50 for most of his career.

 

[honestbharani]

Nah any which way he spins it, its obvious the **** Cameron is just using his way to get more money for himself and his lackeys as usual.

 

[indiaholic]

Here is the West Indian players' guide to an A grade contract: Average 0 in the first year. Average 1 in the second. BOOM!!! Infinite percent improvement over career average, bitch.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Here is the West Indian players' guide to an A grade contract: Average 0 in the first year. Average 1 in the second. BOOM!!! Infinite percent improvement over career average, bitch.

Chandrika must've made a killing

 

[indiaholic]

Average of 14.5 in 2015 and 13.25 in 2016. So no.

 

[Beamer]

Fantastic. That's my favourite batsman to watch gone. No doubt he'll give up and get a nice kokpak contract or something.

They want boards to pay them 20% compensation for losing talent to t20 leagues and yet they screw over the guy who had shown more commitment to tests than anyone else.

Bravo's tweet in response was Ill advised but I don't really blame him. All these players and coaches come and go for various reasons but the board stays the same.

It really is time for them to go, they just make things worse and ruin the talent at their disposal.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Slippy's latest thread got be looking at Sobers' Cricinfo profile, which contains the following 'In a nutshell' information:

"While Bradman's status as the greatest batsman is increasingly under threat, no one raises an eyebrow at Garry Sobers being called the greatest allrounder. He broke the record for the highest Test score - 365 - at 21, could bowl left-arm orthodox, wrist spin and fast-medium, and was a brilliant fielder anywhere on the ground. He was also the first player to hit six sixes in an over in a first-class game "

I was surprised to read the bold section - admittedly I don't know when it was written, but does anyone have an idea who it's referring to or is it just hyperbole? The only person that I can think it would possibly refer to would be Voges, and even then it would make it a fairly tongue-in-cheek statement.

Lol whoever wrote that is an absolute **** for brains

 

[Victor Ian]

Does DRS need high def video? I'm curious as to whether they could apply it to all those 'horrid' decisions of the past so we could all 'know' and go to bed. I think that would be a brilliant lunch time show for the cricket.

 

[Daemon]

Does DRS need high def video? I'm curious as to whether they could apply it to all those 'horrid' decisions of the past so we could all 'know' and go to bed. I think that would be a brilliant lunch time show for the cricket.

Nah it needs a whole bunch of camera angles

 

[Victor Ian]

an interesting table provided by Furball

I actually think in terms of batting, Australia's biggest problem is their home conditions. They're just so vastly different to conditions you'll get virtually anywhere else in the world, with the exception of the odd South African deck. Now I'm not saying that Australian curators should be looking to replicate Manchester or Mumbai in terms of ground conditions - I've said before that I'm all for a variety of conditions around the world that truly tests your game - but Australia is so unique that it actually might hinder them as a team. That Australia is so hard for opposition teams to adapt to is what gives Australia their formidable home record, but I think it's also bred a couple of generations of batsmen who are great at home but struggle to adapt their game abroad. We've all made jokes about subcontinental batsmen shitting themselves when the ball bounces above the knee, but Australia's batsmen do exactly the same when the ball moves off the straight.

This isn't just a new phenomenon either; this goes back at least 20 years. Since 1995, there are precisely 2 Australian batsmen who have averaged more than 50 in Test played outside Australia - Steve Waugh (57.18) and Steve Smith (53.38). Both of those require asterisks - Smith is only part of the way through his career, so may not average 50 by the time he calls it a day, and Waugh's figure excludes the first decade of his career where he was famously a bit ****. No other Australian bat averages 50. The away averages amongst Australia's modern greats (qualification: minimum 1,000 runs scored) are as follows:

S Waugh 57.18 (53.39)
Smith 53.38 (65.42)
Gilchrist 49.69 (45.87)
Lehmann 49.47 (39.94)
Ponting 46.40 (56.97)
Martyn 46.32 (52.14)
Katich 45.49 (44.23)
Hayden 43.52 (57.88)
Langer 42.05 (49.91)
Hussey 41.37 (61.19)
Rogers 41.33 (44.95)
Taylor 41.12 (40.07)
Clarke 39.49 (62.05)
Warner 38.53 (59.53)
Hughes 37.56 (24.00)
M Waugh 37.55 (44.80)
Watson 31.59 (39.72)
Slater 31.18 (50.82)
Blewett 28.40 (41.18)
Haddin 24.66 (43.83)

Figures in brackets are home averages.

I know you should expect batsmen to perform better in familiar conditions but there's some extreme disparity there. How many of Australia's recent graduates have spemt time in county cricket to learn that there's more to the art of batting than just plonking your foot down and hitting through the line?

Excuse my reveling in my favourite player. Having a look, including Border's time, shows why all Australians should rate him so highly. I'd imagine Furball would not be putting any 'asterisks' upon Borders name.

Player	Home Inns	Home Avg	Away Inns	Away Avg
SPD Smith	35	65.42	41	57.63
AR Border	145	45.94	120	56.57
SR Waugh	140	47.58	116	55.85
AC Gilchrist	75	45.87	58	50.24
DR Martyn	51	46.86	54	47.29
RT Ponting	154	56.97	125	45.81
SM Katich	36	44.23	59	45.4
DM Jones	48	48.66	41	44.08
MA Taylor	100	43.4	86	43.6
MEK Hussey	76	61.19	57	42.35
JL Langer	96	48.65	82	41.73
ML Hayden	98	57.88	82	41.69
ME Waugh	99	43.21	106	41.36
MJ Clarke	86	62.05	104	40.78
DC Boon	108	46.33	82	40.01
DA Warner	51	59.53	48	36.77
MJ Slater	57	52.62	74	35.28
KJ Hughes	65	41.21	50	34.89
GR Marsh	55	33.34	38	32.97
SR Watson	50	39.72	55	32.72
GM Wood	50	29.86	46	31.45
GS Blewett	36	41.18	43	28.4
BJ Haddin	51	43.83	57	25.69
IA Healy	92	29.32	90	25.48

 

[Burgey]

Exactly, Victor Ian. Exactly.

 

[mr_mister]

i mean 12 players averaging 40+ away over the last 20 years isn't that bad a stat tbh

 

[Victor Ian]

I was watching some old footage and noticed all the bum slaps going on. Can we put a date on when the bum slap came to be replaced by the high five? What was in vogue before the bum slap? I don't recall the really old footage players touching bums.

 

[indiaholic]

Must've started post the Key and Peele skit.