Dhoni Vs Gilchrist in ODIs.

[viriya]

At this point I would like to make clear that my opinions are in no way affiliated with virya's and I think very, very highly of Gilchrist as an ODI batsman.

I think Gilchrist is ATG level in ODIs as well, just a little overrated.
He's a lot more overrated in Tests.

 

[Shri]

Can't wait for your next analysis viriya.

 

[vcs]

I can live with attacking, impact cricketers who enthrall crowds being labelled as overrated. No one wants to see a world full of Pujaras and Azhar Alis.

 

[Furball]

The names below Gilchrist were almost always top class ODI players and this was constant every game while on the other hand Dhoni didn't have a platform every game. Not hard.

Dhoni's contemporaries also happen to be some of the finest ODI batsmen to have played the game. I'm not having it that a lineup of Sehwag-Tendulkar-Gambhir-Kohli-Yuvraj-Dhoni is filled with hacks. Of those 6 names 3 of them are in the discussion for top 10 of all time, the other 3 have all had periods where they were genuinely world class and would have walked into any ODI lineup.

 

[Furball]

Can an argument be made that openers of Gilchrist's calibre are easier to find than finishers of Dhoni's ability?

How many other openers of Gilchrist's calibre have there actually been though? Gilchrist's role was to put Australia firmly on the front foot and nobody in the history of the game has scored as many runs as Gilchrist as quickly as Gilchrist.

Tendulkar aside, who's just a freak, nobody has done what Gilchrist has done as successfully as he did. Even someone like Jayasuriya, who's probably the closest comparison to Gilchrist, has a reasonably significantly inferior average and strike rate.

 

[Jono]

No it doesn't? I'm talking only about situational match pressure here which the player walks out to in the middle, not the tons of other things that make up the quality of an innings.

Get out Jono, you've lost. Dhoni>Gilchrist.

At this point I would like to make clear that my opinions are in no way affiliated with virya's and I think very, very highly of Gilchrist as an ODI batsman.

Considering you had to distinguish yourself from viriya, I think it you that have lost here tbh

 

[Shri]

How many other openers of Gilchrist's calibre have there actually been though? Gilchrist's role was to put Australia firmly on the front foot and nobody in the history of the game has scored as many runs as Gilchrist as quickly as Gilchrist.

Tendulkar aside, who's just a freak, nobody has done what Gilchrist has done as successfully as he did. Even someone like Jayasuriya, who's probably the closest comparison to Gilchrist, has a reasonably significantly inferior average and strike rate.

Sehwag for one. Gayle, Baz etc as well.

 

[harsh.ag]

Watson, de Kock, Warner too.

 

[viriya]

Sehwag for one. Gayle, Baz etc as well.

Sanath.

 

[anil1405]

de Kock is different from Gilly in the sense that de Kock has this penchant for scoring big. He goes bang bang in the powerplay and then its like he knows when to shift gears from there on.

He has a pretty matured head for players of his age. And his craving for playing big knocks is probably what separates him from other players.

A century every six games is a pretty amazing record to have and is somewhat equivalent to Starc's 4-wicket haul every 5 games. Two of the most amazing modern day ODI cricketers.

 

[Burner]

What's even more puzzling is his conversion rate in ODIs. He has 11 centuries and only 7 half-centuries. That's very rare for an ODI batsman. In fact I don't know of anyone else with a conversion rate like that.

 

[Furball]

Sehwag for one. Gayle, Baz etc as well.

Not quite, vastly inferior strike rate, no.

 

[Furball]

Watson, de Kock, Warner too.

Different kind of opener, small sample size, no

 

[Red]

I think Gilchrist is ATG level in ODIs as well, just a little overrated.
He's a lot more overrated in Tests.

Saying someone is "overrated" is actually saying nothing at all unless you provide some substance.

As in, let's find someone else in tests who can keep for the whole day to leg spinners of the quality of Warne and MacGill, and then average almost 50 with with the bat, at a SR of 82.

 

[viriya]

Saying someone is "overrated" is actually saying nothing at all unless you provide some substance.

As in, let's find someone else in tests who can keep for the whole day to leg spinners of the quality of Warne and MacGill, and then average almost 50 with with the bat, at a SR of 82.

There was a thread sometime back discussing Gilchrist's Test batting and I showed how he came into bat when the team was in a strong position more often than not. Hence, a downhill skier on average. Doesn't mean he didn't have some great innings of course.

 

[Adders]

There was a thread sometime back discussing Gilchrist's Test batting and I showed how he came into bat when the team was in a strong position more often than not. Hence, a downhill skier on average. Doesn't mean he didn't have some great innings of course.

Who'd have thought that would be the case batting No 7 in an ATG team??

The thing is mate he would come in when Aus were in a strong position, and within an hour he would put them into an unbeatable one...........that was his MO. You can't hold what the top 6 contributed before him against him.

I think to call Adam Gilchrist overrated in tests is an absolute nonsense, but since you have I'd be interested to hear what keeper/batsmen you would rate above him??

 

[Adders]

Saying someone is "overrated" is actually saying nothing at all unless you provide some substance.

As in, let's find someone else in tests who can keep for the whole day to leg spinners of the quality of Warne and MacGill, and then average almost 50 with with the bat, at a SR of 82.

And it is often forgotten with Gilly that for the best part of his career he averaged mid to high 50's. Going into the 2005 Ashes he was averaging 55 after just shy of 70 tests, his last two and half years saw his ave drop to around 47 and it seems that has hurt his legacy in some peoples eyes.

 

[ImpatientLime]

Sehwag for one. Gayle, Baz etc as well.

McCullum?

jesus christ man. he scored 5 centuries in 260 odi innings. just the 11 fewer than gilchrist from around the same amount of games.

gayle is a legit threat and gun though.

 

[Burgey]

I didn't really understand why Watson is rated as an ODI great tbh, but that was probably just because he's so maligned generally as a player. His numbers are actually pretty damn good.

 

[Athlai]

The openers who were effectively rockets

Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Still think it's pretty remarkable that Gilchrist, Sehwag, Afridi and Baz had higher strike rates then the current crop.