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***Official*** New Zealand in India 2016
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listento_me
U19 Captain
Ashwin bowls terrifically well in India and across similarly slow, cracking, docile wickets but heck, he does what he does. We can't judge him on that but to start labeling him as some sort of great is a bit much atm.
I did enjoy his spell against NZ though and he is a far better bowler than the one who first came on the scene. That loops, control of pace and spin have all improved.
I did enjoy his spell against NZ though and he is a far better bowler than the one who first came on the scene. That loops, control of pace and spin have all improved.
indiaholic
International Captain
He is pretty much guaranteed to be an Indian great, right?
Gnske
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If he can pull out a few fantastic overseas performances you can definitely pen it in. Think he will at some point. Right now its all he needs, he's literally transcended beyond cricket at home.
The Jaddu and Ashwin bowling combo at home will definitely be up there too
Athlai
Not Terrible
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Ashwin's record away is already pretty favourable compared to other great Indian spinners, and I reckon he'll certainly improve on that over the next few years.
Still reckon Herath is better though.
Ashwin's record away is already pretty favourable compared to other great Indian spinners, and I reckon he'll certainly improve on that over the next few years.
Still reckon Herath is better though.
Bahnz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If you rejig that to just look at his record in Eng/SA/Aus/NZ though, his record is almost in all time **** territory. ****ing Tendulkar has a better record than Ashwin. The only Indian spinner with a worse average (from those with 10+ wickets) is Narendra Hirwani. Improving his record in the seam friendly countries is the big obstacle that Ashwin needs to overcome if he's to be considered as a great at the end of his career.
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Athlai
Not Terrible
Figures for spinners in those countries in the post-murali era.
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Really just reads to me like they've for the most part being totally awful for spinners, also looks like he has bowled relatively little in England, South Africa and NZ where spinners probably find the most success.
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Only Lyon has taken any wickets in Australia.
Bahnz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Ashwin still a long way down that list in terms of average. ****ing Mark Craig still has a better record than him.
Athlai
Not Terrible
And that includes Mark Craig's home record
viriya
International Captain
I think there's an argument that Ashwin is already India's best ever Test bowler.
He is at least top 5 imo.
200 wickets in 37 matches is immense. Even if he isn't that threatening outside the subcontinent just the fact that he gets near unplayable in favorable environments is something to consider.
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Ashwin is still a long, long way from ATG status. Discussions are premature until he's tacked on some extra longevity and been able to build up a meaningful body of work in seam-friendly countries (so that we can judge him on more than a small handful of performances)
Gnske
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Herath must have acquitted himself better than I remember during that horror 12/13 tour, decent figures.
Just more proof he's the true MVP right now.
Zinzan
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it's only really decent off the back of his away records in SL & WI though, home-like great conditions for Ashwin against weak opposition. This is to be expected to be fair on him, but just making sure that point isn't lost.
Moss
International Captain
No doubt he needs a couple of good away series, but it's still terrific to see somebody able to exploit conditions like this. Herath's away record isnt that great either (though he does have the wins in South Africa and England to show for it).
If he keeps this up for another year or so (with hopefully a couple of good tours), would put him in the elite category - Kumble, Bedi, Chandra, Prasanna, Gupte et al.
If he keeps this up for another year or so (with hopefully a couple of good tours), would put him in the elite category - Kumble, Bedi, Chandra, Prasanna, Gupte et al.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Yeah.. its premature to start judging him amongst ATGs. I wont even put him ahead of Harbhajan in the AT list yet. He definitely needs to improve in the seamer friendly pitches but the way he bowls, with the sort of grip and spin he imparts, I dont think he wil ever be very successful or threatening there. The best he can hope for is that the seamers improve and pick up early wickets and then he can come in, keep it tight and hopefully nip a couple out for a nice 2/38 kinda figures while the seamers bowl out the opposition. Its pretty much the only way he can at least improve those figures.
Shady Slim
International Coach
when he was in australia he played the role of more a containing bowler tbf