dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
Toure's agent is a ****ing **** and has dragged the club through the mud for years. **** off.
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*Official* English Football Season 2016-17
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
I think Mourinho's achievements at Inter get over-rated. Massive club, strong league, loads of money to spend, great squad. An Italian club throwing money around winning the Champions League isn't a shock.
Ikki
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Come on man they did the treble
, first Italian club ever also.You just can't minimise how good Mourinho is despite the temptation because of his personality. I'm not sure I'm about to write him off yet as someone who is past his use-by date. It would help United though if they had hired a manager who has a stronger grip on style and philosophy of play as the off-field stuff and player dynamics might take a while to fix.
Ikki
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He should go back to France...Nice?
vcs
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Least memorable treble winning side ever.Come on man they did the treble
You just can't minimise how good Mourinho is despite the temptation because of his personality. I'm not sure I'm about to write him off yet as someone who is past his use-by date. It would help United though if they had hired a manager who has a stronger grip on style and philosophy of play as the off-field stuff and player dynamics might take a while to fix.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
It's a good achievement but it's not the same as winning the Champions League with Porto.Come on man they did the treble
You just can't minimise how good Mourinho is despite the temptation because of his personality. I'm not sure I'm about to write him off yet as someone who is past his use-by date. It would help United though if they had hired a manager who has a stronger grip on style and philosophy of play as the off-field stuff and player dynamics might take a while to fix.
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Lol at not rating a manager because their treble winning side isn't memorable enough.
More seriously, it's a silly criteria. Reminds me of people in CC not rating Sri Lankan or South African players because they 'didn't have a standout innings on the big stage' or something along those lines. Always translates as 'nobody watched their games because they're Sri Lankan'.
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Nah, it's not the same. They managed to peak simultaneously that one year and didn't really sustain it. Of course, you could put it all down to Mourinho's genius to get them to do that. I would interpret it as him being good for a short-term assignment, but not a guy to do a rebuilding job, or someone who can constructs a team to dominate for years.
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Why shouldn't it be? Is longevity not desirable in a team? And is long-term vision not a desirable quality in a manager?
Furball
Evil Scotsman
No, performance is.
Man Utd won 8 of the first 11 titles in the Premier League between 1993 and 2003, but the only common denominator on the field was Ryan Giggs. Man Utd's longevity was because Ferguson constantly recycled his team.
Similarly, Giggs and Scholes would have been the only common denominators between 2003 and 2013.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Peaking simultaneously is generally what good teams tend to do. Longevity can be indicative of a good team as well I guess, but it often doesn't really mean much as a standalone value. You could argue Arsenal's repeated 3rd/4th place finishes over the last decade is the embodiment of longevity, for instance.
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I think it's fair to suggest that the best managers don't leave clubs in a mess. People sometimes use the fact that a club continues to improve after Manager X leaves as a stick to beat Manager X with. Moyes got it hard when Everton started well under Martinez, and Guardiola gets the "anyone could win with that team, see!" treatment because Barca were still good after he left. I think this is bollocks, and those instances actually reflect quite well on Moyes and Guardiola.
The "Mourinho always leaves clubs in turmoil" narrative is a bit more to do with optics than performance, though. He always seems to leave in a blaze of ugliness and controversy, but Porto went on winning, Chelsea coped fine the first time and look like they'll cope fine now too, and RM didn't have any trouble recovering either. Inter are the only ones who went off the rails after he left, but of all his former clubs, that's where he's remembered most fondly. The Inter fans who work here would start ranting and gesticulating wildly if anyone even remotely suggested that their dark age was Mourinho's fault. The club that he left in a substantially worse position than he found it was one where his exit didn't have the pattern of dressing room leaks, fans, players, and club officials turning against each other, and Mourinho saying and doing increasingly nasty things.
