Younis Khan

[Furball]

Yeah his odi record goes against him but do we talk about Gavaskar or Border odi record when rating them?

Certainly in Gavaskar's case ODI cricket was less important.

 

[Coronis]

Right up there with Miandad and Yousuf.

 

[hendrix]

He's definitely ahead of Yousuf.

 

[smash84]

yeah better than yousuf for sure. Its a toss up between him, inzy and miandad

 

[Burgey]

Yeah his odi record goes against him but do we talk about Gavaskar or Border odi record when rating them?

The ****? Border's odi record was fine for the era he played in. Ffs man

 

[DriveClub]

Burger has a man crush on border?

 

[smash84]

he ha a man crush on all the ABs

 

[Zinzan]

The ****? Border's odi record was fine for the era he played in. Ffs man

This. Border's SR of 71.42 in the era (1979-1994) is probably better than Ponting's of 80.39 in the 1995-2012 era.

 

[Burgey]

Burger has a man crush on border?

Don't take the Lord's name in vain.

 

[Jono]

Is there really an argument anymore for Yousuf and Inzy ahead of Younis? I really don't think there is.


Also what's with Younis now being Younus? Subcontinental people randomly changing the spelling of their name mid-career is the worst thing, lol

 

[hendrix]

Is there really an argument anymore for Yousuf and Inzy ahead of Younis? I really don't think there is.


Also what's with Younis now being Younus? Subcontinental people randomly changing the spelling of their name mid-career is the worst thing, lol

یونس

(from right to left) that's literally y/e/i (same letter) followed by oo followed by n followed by s. I.e. it really doesn't matter how you spell it in English cos you're gonna say it the same anyway. Nite Night etc. Mohammed muhammad. Same thing.

I think Inzy may have a claim but definitely not MoYo

 

[Black_Warrior]

Aren't we touring them soon?

The upcoming series will be a home series in UAE. Someone mentioned they might be touring West Indies next summer. Whether he will play in that series or not will depend on his Australian tour later this year. A lot of well settled teams disintegrate in Australia.

A great batsman and one whom I admire greatly. Most of his knocks have come under pressure situations where he has had to rebuild the innings after another top-order collapse. Under appreciated because Pak don't play much in iconic places such as England and Australia. If he performs in the upcoming tours down under, I think he will get the recognition shared by the likes of Dravid, Kallis and Sangakarra.

I don't know if this is still the case, but remember reading a stat a year ago that he is the only batsman to avg 50+ in each innings of a Test match.

This pretty much. Unfortunately for him, his crazy run scoring spree coincided post 2010 when Pakistan faced some sort of isolation from the major teams, not playing there in 6 years.
I can still see him struggling in Australia this year. Had Pakistan toured Australia between 2012-2014, that would have been vintage YK at his very best.

 

[hendrix]

یونس

(from right to left) that's literally y/e/i (same letter) followed by oo followed by n followed by s. I.e. it really doesn't matter how you spell it in English cos you're gonna say it the same anyway. Nite Night etc. Mohammed muhammad. Same thing.

I think Inzy may have a claim but definitely not MoYo

Interestingly, if we were to spell it "Youns" in English the way it is in arabic/urdu the natural tendency would be to convert the "s" sound to "z", as we do in "brooms" (along with connecting the consonants together).

When I first started learning the arabic script it seemed so deficient to only have 3 vowels but then when you critically analyse your own language you realise all sorts of natural rules that just sorta happen - hence why it's such a task to get computer voices to say words properly.

tl;dr linguistics is cool.

 

[Burgey]

Remember Ijaz Ahmed, the wood chopper who batted three for Pakistan in the 90s? Just randomly popped into my head there as a bloke I always rated from Pakistan. Not saying he's in this company, but he was a very good player IMO.

 

[smash84]

یونس

(from right to left) that's literally y/e/i (same letter) followed by oo followed by n followed by s. I.e. it really doesn't matter how you spell it in English cos you're gonna say it the same anyway. Nite Night etc. Mohammed muhammad. Same thing.

I think Inzy may have a claim but definitely not MoYo

I am impress.

Indeed the correct spelling would be younus.

 

[DriveClub]

Interestingly, if we were to spell it "Youns" in English the way it is in arabic/urdu the natural tendency would be to convert the "s" sound to "z", as we do in "brooms" (along with connecting the consonants together).

When I first started learning the arabic script it seemed so deficient to only have 3 vowels but then when you critically analyse your own language you realise all sorts of natural rules that just sorta happen - hence why it's such a task to get computer voices to say words properly.

tl;dr linguistics is cool.

Ok pal, thats enough internet for you today, time to concentrate at work, they ain't paying you for forumming

 

[Black_Warrior]

It depends on how we are debating him, if its purely on his test career, an all time great with only one or two Pakistanis on his level, however if we are factoring in his ODI form then it somewhat lessens his legacy sadly. He was an absolute spud in the format, who played politics in the press and had massive moans when he was dropped which in most occasions were always justified.

His knock v India in 2011 was the reason Pakistan lost the semi final, killed the momentum of the innings stone cold dead.

I suspect that no matter what he achieves in the rest of his test career, his dire ODI career will always gnaw away at him, whether we on this forum like it not, test cricket for the majority of Pakistani cricket fans is not the pinnacle.

Absolutely correct. This is also a major reason for his anger and frustration over the years. He used to mention a particular instance in 06 when he and Yousuf were in a fantastic century partnership (where he got 199) and the crowd were asking them to get out so they could watch Afridi bat.
So here's the thing, will he ever be given the accolade befitting one of the greatest batsmen the country has produced? No in his own country. No, because test cricket is not the pinnacle as you right pointed out. Afridi is considered the greatest cricketer of the post Wasim-Waqar era among the fans. A World Cup win is the pinnacle but funnily enough, YK did lead Pakistan to it's more recent World Cup win but Afridi gets all the credit for it

A good tour down under will secure him a place along side Sanga,Dravid and Kallis. I think he has slightly gone ahead of Clarke, Inzi and Mahela.

I think there are two conversations to be had. One is between Cricket analysts, former players, his peers, journalists, esteemed CW members and the other in his own country. The former conversation will always laud him as a modern great on par with Sanga, Dravid, Kallis if he has a good tour down under this year. The latter won't care. Afridi is king

 

[Black_Warrior]

Remember Ijaz Ahmed, the wood chopper who batted three for Pakistan in the 90s? Just randomly popped into my head there as a bloke I always rated from Pakistan. Not saying he's in this company, but he was a very good player IMO.

He probably has the best record against Australia among Pak batsmen

 

[Jono]

یونس

(from right to left) that's literally y/e/i (same letter) followed by oo followed by n followed by s. I.e. it really doesn't matter how you spell it in English cos you're gonna say it the same anyway. Nite Night etc. Mohammed muhammad. Same thing.

Doesn't answer why it changed mid-career though?

 

[Black_Warrior]

Have seen "Younus" on and off before as well..The earliest I can remember seeing Younus was in 05-06. I think it's got as much to do with broadcaster inconsistency as anything else.