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Never played a Test draft
- Thread starter jimmy101
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J_C
U19 Captain
Richard Daft
Sam Trimble
Richard Daft
Brian Davison
Bhausaheb Nimbalkar
Thomas Hayward (c) / 6
Alan Kourie / 4
Alfred Mynn / 5
Ryan Campbell +
Eric Bedser / 3
Stephen Jefferies / 2
Garth Le Roux / 1
Sam Trimble
Richard Daft
Brian Davison
Bhausaheb Nimbalkar
Thomas Hayward (c) / 6
Alan Kourie / 4
Alfred Mynn / 5
Ryan Campbell +
Eric Bedser / 3
Stephen Jefferies / 2
Garth Le Roux / 1
StephenZA
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Ken Suttle
Steve's Unknown XI
01 John Langridge
02 Hylton Ackerman *
03 Andrew Puttick
04 Amol Muzumdar
05 Pinky Burnup (6)
06 Ken Suttle (5)
07 Ray Jennings +
08 Vince van der Bijl (2)
09 Denys Hobson (4)
10 Jack Mercer (3)
11 James Shaw (1)
Happy with that, good bowling line-up. Hold a bat till 9. Great wicketkeeper.
Steve's Unknown XI
01 John Langridge
02 Hylton Ackerman *
03 Andrew Puttick
04 Amol Muzumdar
05 Pinky Burnup (6)
06 Ken Suttle (5)
07 Ray Jennings +
08 Vince van der Bijl (2)
09 Denys Hobson (4)
10 Jack Mercer (3)
11 James Shaw (1)
Happy with that, good bowling line-up. Hold a bat till 9. Great wicketkeeper.
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Utpal Chatterjee
Along with Rajinder Goel and Padmakar Shivalkar, he was one of the truly great Indian spinners who never got a proper go at the international level. Useful batsman too, with an FC average >20. I've met him as well and he's a wonderful man.
OS XI:
Henry Fotheringham
George Parr (c)
Mahadevan Sathasivam
Fuller Pilch
Ryan ten Doeschate (6)
Darren Berry (wk)
Peter Sainsbury (5)
Utpal Chatterjee (4)
Thomas Wass (2)
William Lillywhite (3)
Eddie Gilbert (1)
Pretty pleased with that. Nice mix of great players from the 19th century (Parr, Pilch, Lillywhite), class batsmen from countries which didn't play tests during their time (Fotheringham, Sathasivam, RtD), an acclaimed keeper in Berry, two great spinners who could bat (Sainsbury,Chatterjee), a medium pacer (Wass) and a tearaway quick (Gilbert). Team probably hurt by not having a truly GOAT pick like Rice, Van der Bijl etc. because of going last in round 1.
Along with Rajinder Goel and Padmakar Shivalkar, he was one of the truly great Indian spinners who never got a proper go at the international level. Useful batsman too, with an FC average >20. I've met him as well and he's a wonderful man.
OS XI:
Henry Fotheringham
George Parr (c)
Mahadevan Sathasivam
Fuller Pilch
Ryan ten Doeschate (6)
Darren Berry (wk)
Peter Sainsbury (5)
Utpal Chatterjee (4)
Thomas Wass (2)
William Lillywhite (3)
Eddie Gilbert (1)
Pretty pleased with that. Nice mix of great players from the 19th century (Parr, Pilch, Lillywhite), class batsmen from countries which didn't play tests during their time (Fotheringham, Sathasivam, RtD), an acclaimed keeper in Berry, two great spinners who could bat (Sainsbury,Chatterjee), a medium pacer (Wass) and a tearaway quick (Gilbert). Team probably hurt by not having a truly GOAT pick like Rice, Van der Bijl etc. because of going last in round 1.
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Sainsbury should be batting ahead of Berry. Possibly even Chatterjee, Berry's average was like 20, and if Berry was better with the bat he'd have played Tests (although it didn't help that Healy/Gilchrist were rarely injured).
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Posting my lineup up now because it's not 2am 
1. Jamie Cox
2. Dene Hills
3. Ken McEwan
4. Jamie Siddons
5. Kevin McKenzie
6. Emrys Davies (5)
7. Wade Seccombe +
8. Bart King (1)
9. Tony Nicholson (3)
10. George Dennett (4)
11. Jack Bannister (2)
Cox & Hills make up a very solid opening pairing, having done so for Tasmania with success throughout the 90's. Cox was the better of the two (and also played overseas to make sure that he got hyped), but Hills was pretty under-rated and both could have played Test cricket for another country.
My middle order is made up of two guys who probably would've been mainstays in the South African Test lineup thoughout the 80's if they were playing Tests at the time and another who is arguably the best non-Test batsman of all-time. In fact if you ask who was the best batsman to not play Tests, Siddons and McEwan's names would come up a lot.
Davies comes in at 6, the Welsh Wilfred Rhodes it seems. Seriously, he started his career as a specialist slow-left armer but became an opener in due course. Put him at 6 because I like to kill two birds with one stone
Seccombe as the keeper, lots of people talk about Berry as unlucky keepers in that era, but Seccombe was also a very good keeper and probably a better batsman. He made the Australian squad a few times in his career, but Gilchrist never wavered.
The star of my bowling is Bart King. Perhaps the best Associate cricketer of all-time, and probably in the Top 3 non-Test bowlers of all-time, he is the star spearhead for my side. Dennett was also very well-regarded and unlucky to not play for England - he took the second most wickets at FC level out of bowlers who never played Tests. Bannister is more famous for his off-field work (i.e. was a commentator post-cricket, and also set up the PCA), but he was a quality bowler in his own right, and in a weaker era may well have played Tests. Ditto Tony Nicholson, who averaged under 20, and actually made an international tour but had to pull out due to injury.
1. Jamie Cox
2. Dene Hills
3. Ken McEwan
4. Jamie Siddons
5. Kevin McKenzie
6. Emrys Davies (5)
7. Wade Seccombe +
8. Bart King (1)
9. Tony Nicholson (3)
10. George Dennett (4)
11. Jack Bannister (2)
Cox & Hills make up a very solid opening pairing, having done so for Tasmania with success throughout the 90's. Cox was the better of the two (and also played overseas to make sure that he got hyped), but Hills was pretty under-rated and both could have played Test cricket for another country.
My middle order is made up of two guys who probably would've been mainstays in the South African Test lineup thoughout the 80's if they were playing Tests at the time and another who is arguably the best non-Test batsman of all-time. In fact if you ask who was the best batsman to not play Tests, Siddons and McEwan's names would come up a lot.
Davies comes in at 6, the Welsh Wilfred Rhodes it seems. Seriously, he started his career as a specialist slow-left armer but became an opener in due course. Put him at 6 because I like to kill two birds with one stone
Seccombe as the keeper, lots of people talk about Berry as unlucky keepers in that era, but Seccombe was also a very good keeper and probably a better batsman. He made the Australian squad a few times in his career, but Gilchrist never wavered.
The star of my bowling is Bart King. Perhaps the best Associate cricketer of all-time, and probably in the Top 3 non-Test bowlers of all-time, he is the star spearhead for my side. Dennett was also very well-regarded and unlucky to not play for England - he took the second most wickets at FC level out of bowlers who never played Tests. Bannister is more famous for his off-field work (i.e. was a commentator post-cricket, and also set up the PCA), but he was a quality bowler in his own right, and in a weaker era may well have played Tests. Ditto Tony Nicholson, who averaged under 20, and actually made an international tour but had to pull out due to injury.
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Having picked him for my CW Uncapped XI I should round off my side with Raees Mohammad, who got as close as it is possible to get to a Test cap without getting one
So I have seven frontline batsmen of whom Pepper was a top class leg spinner, Raees a decent leggie too. Alley did the double and Tarrant was one of the most consistent all rounders the county game has seen
Of the bowlers Kortright was fearsomely fast, and Pritchard not far behind backed up by Chappy, a man who should have won many Test caps. Drake was an exceptional left armer in the Underwood mould and will back them up and he Kortright and Chapple were all capable batsmen
........ and in Alley and Pepper I have the two best sledgers the game has seen
1.Alan Jones
2.Karl Schneider
3.Bill Alley
4.Frank Tarrant
5.Cec Pepper
6.Raees Mohammad
7.+Craig Kieswetter
8.Alonzo Drake
9.Charles Kortright
10.*Glen Chapple
11.Tom Pritchard
So I have seven frontline batsmen of whom Pepper was a top class leg spinner, Raees a decent leggie too. Alley did the double and Tarrant was one of the most consistent all rounders the county game has seen
Of the bowlers Kortright was fearsomely fast, and Pritchard not far behind backed up by Chappy, a man who should have won many Test caps. Drake was an exceptional left armer in the Underwood mould and will back them up and he Kortright and Chapple were all capable batsmen
........ and in Alley and Pepper I have the two best sledgers the game has seen
1.Alan Jones
2.Karl Schneider
3.Bill Alley
4.Frank Tarrant
5.Cec Pepper
6.Raees Mohammad
7.+Craig Kieswetter
8.Alonzo Drake
9.Charles Kortright
10.*Glen Chapple
11.Tom Pritchard
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Yeah I'll bump Sainsbury up to no. 6. It's where he usually batted for Hampshire too.
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kingkallis
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MV Sridhar, the guy I read a lot about in early 90s yet never got the chance to play at test level.
CricZo XI
1. Gregory Shipperd /
2. MV Sridhar /
3. Amarjeet Kaypee /
4. Edgar Oldroyd /
5. Mick Taylor /
6. Nic Pothas + /
7. Clive Rice * o / - 1
8. Jack Newman o / - 4
9. Rupert Hanley o - 3
10. Padmakar Shivalkar o - 5
11. Ole Mortensen o - 2
CricZo XI
1. Gregory Shipperd /
2. MV Sridhar /
3. Amarjeet Kaypee /
4. Edgar Oldroyd /
5. Mick Taylor /
6. Nic Pothas + /
7. Clive Rice * o / - 1
8. Jack Newman o / - 4
9. Rupert Hanley o - 3
10. Padmakar Shivalkar o - 5
11. Ole Mortensen o - 2
jimmy101
Cricketer Of The Year
Well, since we have all disappointed Dan & weldone in not selecting their GOAT non-Test players the vote will be cancelled... kidding of course, I hope they will fill us in I'm very curious to know.
For me the biggest surprises were the omissions of Palwankar Baloo, who apparently could spin the ball as sharply as anyone, & Thomas Odoyo, 'Black Botham'.
For me the biggest surprises were the omissions of Palwankar Baloo, who apparently could spin the ball as sharply as anyone, & Thomas Odoyo, 'Black Botham'.
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Nah I'm pretty sure weldone's guy was picked by OS.
kingkallis
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Can we have 12th round please?
jimmy101
Cricketer Of The Year
If you like, we could go head to head & pick another 11 non-test players each in sort of a mini-draft.
the big bambino
Cricketer Of The Year
My vote for the most interesting draft I've seen. Good idea jimmy101. I was too late to sign up for the draft but would like to pick a side made up of those not picked. I've had a quick look at the teams in the voting thread and don't think any of the following were picked.
Henry Rock
George Cox
Robbie Langer
Hugh Bartlett
FC De Saram
Leo O'Connor (wk)
Ram Singh
Jack Walsh
Jack Massie
George John
ME Pavri.
FP Ryan 12th
HO Rock only played 6 fc matches and averaged 94. No way he would have kept that up but he looked test class. He qualified as Dr and retired. George Cox played many years for Sussex and probably missed out on tests bcos of the second war. Robbie Langer ave 44 in fc cricket and was one of my favourite players as a kid. I served him once when I was working as a teller. Didn't say anything: Too shy. Bartlett was Cox's team mate and legend says missed test selection bcos he took a woman from Hammond. De Saram was a great SL batsman who made a hundred against the 34 Australians for Oxford and playing Grimmett better than the English stars.
Leo O'Connor was Qld's first shield captain. He made 196 in their 1st shield match chasing 400 for a win. He was last out, run out 8 runs short. I've seem the picture of the run out. He has obviously been sent back by his no.11 and despite what looks to be a stressful lunge failed to make his ground. There's a price for running out your captain 8 runs short of your state's first shield match. No.11 Bill Noyes never played fc cricket again.
It is a mystery why Ram Singh wasn't ever selected in India's test team of the 30s. He had a fc batting ave in the mid 30s and a fc bowling ave below 20. India were gagging for quality players and its ironic he never played while CS Nayudu played 11 times without effect.So many reasons not related to cricket would explain that injustice. Jack Walsh makes up the spin attack and is a counterpoint to Ram Singh's orthodox left armers.
I love my pace attack. George John has the choice of ends and is probably the founder of the great West Indian lineage of fast bowlers. Jack Massie's career was ruined by injury sustained in WW1. What he would have done in company with Gregory and McDonald would have equalled the achievements of Lindwall Miller and Johnston imo. He was quicker, taller and meaner than Johnston. Pavri is the 3rd fast bowler and was India's best known cricketer just before and during the golden era.
Would have loved to have picked leg spinner Hughie Chilvers and seamer Clem Gibson but tried my hardest to pick Frank Ryan, born in the USA, played for Glamorgan and quite the party boy. Once decided to stay with friends, drinking, while the his team left Manchester for Cardiff. Early next morning he took a taxi home and arrived in the dressing room just before the match started with the words "Ryan never lets you down". He passed on the taxi bill to the club secretary. I'll make him carry the drinks.
Henry Rock
George Cox
Robbie Langer
Hugh Bartlett
FC De Saram
Leo O'Connor (wk)
Ram Singh
Jack Walsh
Jack Massie
George John
ME Pavri.
FP Ryan 12th
HO Rock only played 6 fc matches and averaged 94. No way he would have kept that up but he looked test class. He qualified as Dr and retired. George Cox played many years for Sussex and probably missed out on tests bcos of the second war. Robbie Langer ave 44 in fc cricket and was one of my favourite players as a kid. I served him once when I was working as a teller. Didn't say anything: Too shy. Bartlett was Cox's team mate and legend says missed test selection bcos he took a woman from Hammond. De Saram was a great SL batsman who made a hundred against the 34 Australians for Oxford and playing Grimmett better than the English stars.
Leo O'Connor was Qld's first shield captain. He made 196 in their 1st shield match chasing 400 for a win. He was last out, run out 8 runs short. I've seem the picture of the run out. He has obviously been sent back by his no.11 and despite what looks to be a stressful lunge failed to make his ground. There's a price for running out your captain 8 runs short of your state's first shield match. No.11 Bill Noyes never played fc cricket again.
It is a mystery why Ram Singh wasn't ever selected in India's test team of the 30s. He had a fc batting ave in the mid 30s and a fc bowling ave below 20. India were gagging for quality players and its ironic he never played while CS Nayudu played 11 times without effect.So many reasons not related to cricket would explain that injustice. Jack Walsh makes up the spin attack and is a counterpoint to Ram Singh's orthodox left armers.
I love my pace attack. George John has the choice of ends and is probably the founder of the great West Indian lineage of fast bowlers. Jack Massie's career was ruined by injury sustained in WW1. What he would have done in company with Gregory and McDonald would have equalled the achievements of Lindwall Miller and Johnston imo. He was quicker, taller and meaner than Johnston. Pavri is the 3rd fast bowler and was India's best known cricketer just before and during the golden era.
Would have loved to have picked leg spinner Hughie Chilvers and seamer Clem Gibson but tried my hardest to pick Frank Ryan, born in the USA, played for Glamorgan and quite the party boy. Once decided to stay with friends, drinking, while the his team left Manchester for Cardiff. Early next morning he took a taxi home and arrived in the dressing room just before the match started with the words "Ryan never lets you down". He passed on the taxi bill to the club secretary. I'll make him carry the drinks.
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I attempted another xi like Big Bambino - couldn't think of too many batsmen so it's jam packed with allrounders.
Brian Whitfield : another isolation era South African, played against the Rebel Australian side I think.
Barry Hadlee : solid opener for Canterbury, good name obviously, unlucky not to get a test in an era when you didn't have to be that good to play for NZ (Hadlee had a better first class average than Terry Jarvis for instance)
Cec Dacre : kiwi from the 1930s who played county cricket for Gloucestershire I think and so missed out on playing for his country
Michael Haysman : big success on the Rebel tour to SA
Duncan Fletcher : too early for test cricket, but instrumental in the world cup win over Australia and almost another over India...
Kevin Curran : another Zimbo allrounder, long career with Northants
Gami Goonesena : Sri Lankan wrist spinning allrounder who played for Cambridge in the 50's/60's, made the Gents vs Players game a few times
Paddy Clift : a third Zimbabwean seam allrounder, long career with Leicestershire, made wisden's top 5 one year
Ervin McSweeney : unlucky never to get a test for NZ, behind Smith and possibly Blain in the pecking order
Peter Rawson : another Zimbabwean, probably their best performer along with Houghton in the representative matches against international B sides and "young xi"s etc through the 80's
Leather TW : know nothing about him other than that he took 20-odd wickets at 12 for Jack Ryder's side which toured India in 35/36
Brian Whitfield : another isolation era South African, played against the Rebel Australian side I think.
Barry Hadlee : solid opener for Canterbury, good name obviously, unlucky not to get a test in an era when you didn't have to be that good to play for NZ (Hadlee had a better first class average than Terry Jarvis for instance)
Cec Dacre : kiwi from the 1930s who played county cricket for Gloucestershire I think and so missed out on playing for his country
Michael Haysman : big success on the Rebel tour to SA
Duncan Fletcher : too early for test cricket, but instrumental in the world cup win over Australia and almost another over India...
Kevin Curran : another Zimbo allrounder, long career with Northants
Gami Goonesena : Sri Lankan wrist spinning allrounder who played for Cambridge in the 50's/60's, made the Gents vs Players game a few times
Paddy Clift : a third Zimbabwean seam allrounder, long career with Leicestershire, made wisden's top 5 one year
Ervin McSweeney : unlucky never to get a test for NZ, behind Smith and possibly Blain in the pecking order
Peter Rawson : another Zimbabwean, probably their best performer along with Houghton in the representative matches against international B sides and "young xi"s etc through the 80's
Leather TW : know nothing about him other than that he took 20-odd wickets at 12 for Jack Ryder's side which toured India in 35/36