**Official* IPL 2016

[Pratters]

Many players have played twice as many FC matches as they have Test cricket. Nevertheless, when we talk of dominant batsmen, Tests get weighed a lot more than FC matches.

T20I bowling attacks are superior to domestic/franchise T20 bowling attacks. That is all that matters.

First class cricket have weaker line ups of mostly non internationals. Can't compared to T20 leagues at all. T20 internationals haven't been played a lot at all. They are played quite sporadically really. The competition in the leagues is strong even if the bowling line ups are of poorer quality than internationals.

 

[viriya]

Many players have played twice as many FC matches as they have Test cricket. Nevertheless, when we talk of dominant batsmen, Tests get weighed a lot more than FC matches.

T20I bowling attacks are superior to domestic/franchise T20 bowling attacks. That is all that matters.

Problem is no player has even played a 100 T20Is so it's a small sample size. Kohli has a grand total of 40 T20I innings and I don't think that's enough to give him the GOAT title.

 

[G.I.Joe]

First class cricket had weaker line ups of mostly non internationals. T20 internationals haven't been played a lot at all. They are played quite sporadically really.

And when they are played, they tend to offer a truer test of a T20 player's mettle than domestix/franchise T20.

 

[Pratters]

He is the dominant domestix/franchise T20 player, yes.

Would you discredit first class record of WG then? He was dominant in first class cricket and at his time, they were important compared to internationals which had just started. Grace and Gayle comparison is quite apt here.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Problem is no player has even played a 100 T20Is so it's a small sample size. Kohli has a grand total of 40 T20I innings and I don't that's enough to give him the GOAT title.

100 is an arbitrary number.

I don't consider this a small sample size at all.

 

[Gnske]

I knew Kohli had tonned up just from going on cricinfo this morning and seeing RCB had played last night. Jono's boy getting horrifically predictable with his bossing.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Would you discredit first class record of WG then? He was dominant in first class cricket and at his time, they were important compared to internationals which had just started. Grace and Gayle comparison is quite apt here.

I don't pick WG Grace in all time Test XI lineups, and neither do most people. Does that answer your question?

 

[Pratters]

Problem is no player has even played a 100 T20Is so it's a small sample size. Kohli has a grand total of 40 T20I innings and I don't think that's enough to give him the GOAT title.

100 is an arbitrary number.

I don't consider this a small sample size at all.

Yeah. T20 internationals haven't been played a lot. Sporadic few matches beginning a tour or just at tour ends which haven't meant a lot.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yeah. T20 internationals haven't been played a lot. Sporadic few matches beginning a tour starts or just at tour ends which haven't meant a lot.

Do you have anything to contribute besides repeating yourself?

 

[Pratters]

I don't pick WG Grace in all time Test XI lineups, and neither do most people. Does that answer your question?

If you were to pick an international team 1850-1890, you would include WG though. That had 13 years of tests but not significant enough number.

 

[G.I.Joe]

If you were to pick an international team 1850-1890, you would include WG though. That had 13 years of tests but not significant enough number.

And I'd include Gayle in an international T20 team from his era. What does that have to do with the question of whether he's the best?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Kohli's been poor in IPL apart from this season, and Gayle hasn't been incredible in t20is. Not much in it overall.

 

[Pratters]

Much more T20 league games. Gayle>>>Kohli despite having gone down last few years.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Much more T20 league games. Gayle>>>Kohli despite having gone down last few years.

Yes, only 6 T20 WCs. A rounding error, really.

One guy's been incredible against pop gun domextix attacks and okay in Internationals.

The other guy's been the exact opposite.

Let's go for the guy who excels against pop gun attacks. Makes sense.

 

[Burner]

The thing Kohli has going for him is that he's never failed a knockout situation in a world t20 when he was under the pump to perform. Not once. GOAT for me.

 

[viriya]

Gayle has 17 T20 tons.. next highest is McCullum with 7. Kohli has 3 (edit: with the 4 tons this IPL he has 7 as well).
Records | Twenty20 matches | Batting records | Most runs in career | ESPN Cricinfo

Kohli has dominated T20Is sure. But that's 40 innings and the above stat shows who has dominated overall.

Kohli is best on current form, but no way is he the undisputed GOAT imo.

 

[G.I.Joe]

And Graeme Hick was the best English batsman of his generation because he had 136 FC 100s. Quite.

"overall" is a meaningless term that says nothing. It's lumping deep fried Mars bars and protein shakes together to figure out which the healthiest food is. Just because there's 200 deep fried Mars bars lying around and only 50 Protein shakes doesn't give the former greater weightage here.

Good batsmen perform well against the opposition they are presented. GOATS perform well against the best attacks around. You don't become a GOAT by dominating pop gun attacks, certainly not when there exists another player who's actually done better than you against the best attacks possible.

 

[Pratters]

Have already explained why equating first class cricket to various commercial leagues like IPL and BBL isn't quite apt.

 

[Pratters]

Yes, only 6 T20 WCs. A rounding error, really.

One guy's been incredible against pop gun domextix attacks and okay in Internationals.

The other guy's been the exact opposite.

Let's go for the guy who excels against pop gun attacks. Makes sense.

The stronger IPL and BBL teams don't have poor attacks at all. Pop gun my foot.

 

[viriya]

Yes some of the international T20I teams have not been high standard. T20 vs T20I is not the same comparison as FC vs Test, especially the top franchises like IPL, BBL and CPL. There is no global FC or List A tournament.