Starc, chameera, amir, rabada or Joseph

[smash84]

Ok Rohit Sharma.

ok amir's momma

 

[Black_Warrior]

Bumrah should be discussed in this thread according to Rohit Sharma/Smali

 

[OverratedSanity]

The difference is not that Starc

Underrated post

 

[the big bambino]

You could say the difference is amir fraction.

 

[cnerd123]

Yeah a bloke who is six foot six bowls up to 160 kmph and swings it late does not belong with others. If we are talking about potential ceilings Starc is so far ahead of everyone

This is interesting.

I think I still perceive Starc as being a bit of a one trick pony, albeit a pony who's one trick is to produce a 8 foot tall fire breathing dragon out of a top hat. He doesn't have many tools, but the ones he does have, as you've described, are ****ing frightening and likely to demolish most batting lineups in the world.

But with Amir he just has so many more tools. He seams it and swings it both ways, old ball or new. He's accurate. He has pace. He has angles. He has control over that pace and those angles. And he's so smart (with ball in hand).

I want to call Amir a better bowler because he's just so much more well rounded, but Starc produces more unplayable deliveries than any bowler I can recall, apart from his namesake Johnson.

Can't really decide whom I rate more.

 

[Jord]

The idea that Starc has a fluid action is a bit funny considering he basically jogs to the crease before loading everything into the last few strides and slinging it down there. It's not exactly a Lillee approach to the crease.

I think he'll have massive ongoing issues with injuries in the longer format.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Bumrah should be discussed in this thread according to Rohit Sharma/Smali

Yeah, he really gets a bum rap around here. boom tish.

 

[Compton]

The idea that Starc has a fluid action is a bit funny considering he basically jogs to the crease before loading everything into the last few strides and slinging it down there. It's not exactly a Lillee approach to the crease.

I think he'll have massive ongoing issues with injuries in the longer format.

I'm really not sure what you're on about, his last few strides are remarkably similar to his first few strides. There's very little change to his movement throughout, and his action is very fluid. In fact, if you could only see Starc and not the crease, it's not all that clear when he's actually in his last few strides and preparing to bowl the delivery.

 

[Jord]

He has the exact same bowling action as an injury prone Mitchell Johnson and you're arguing with me.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

The idea that Starc has a fluid action is a bit funny considering he basically jogs to the crease before loading everything into the last few strides and slinging it down there. It's not exactly a Lillee approach to the crease.

I think he'll have massive ongoing issues with injuries in the longer format.

You really don't think this action is fluid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tksy7Y4nE4U

I think how relaxed an action looks is a pretty poor indicator of propensity for injury, but it's an amazingly smooth action for someone with his pace. Lee, Akhtar, Johnson etc had much jerkier actions.

edit: Compton's post is a much better illustration of this than mine.

 

[Jord]

We need Ian Pont. Ponty.

The problem in Starc's action is the same as Johnson's, he's not quite side on, he's not quite front on, His explosion through the crease means he's twisting his body while landing his feet, which puts even more strain on his back, feet and knees as it would if he was purely side on, or purely front on.

Johnson went through countless stress fractures, it's a bad biomechanical action. It's fast because it's ultimately taking pieces of javelin throwing, almost with baseball pitching, getting half side on, planting a locked leg and slinging the arm across your body. I guarantee he'll spend good chunks of his time injured.

 

[Gob]

We need Ian Pont. Ponty.

The problem in Starc's action is the same as Johnson's, he's not quite side on, he's not quite front on, His explosion through the crease means he's twisting his body while landing his feet, which puts even more strain on his back, feet and knees as it would if he was purely side on, or purely front on.

Johnson went through countless stress fractures, it's a bad biomechanical action. It's fast because it's ultimately taking pieces of javelin throwing, almost with baseball pitching, getting half side on, planting a locked leg and slinging the arm across your body. I guarantee he'll spend good chunks of his time injured.

This means now he'll go on to have an uninterrupted 50 match run

 

[cnerd123]

TIL that fluid means injury proof.

 

[hendrix]

We need Ian Pont. Ponty.

The problem in Starc's action is the same as Johnson's, he's not quite side on, he's not quite front on, His explosion through the crease means he's twisting his body while landing his feet, which puts even more strain on his back, feet and knees as it would if he was purely side on, or purely front on.

Johnson went through countless stress fractures, it's a bad biomechanical action. It's fast because it's ultimately taking pieces of javelin throwing, almost with baseball pitching, getting half side on, planting a locked leg and slinging the arm across your body. I guarantee he'll spend good chunks of his time injured.

I don't necessarily disagree that it's an action more prone to injuries than a classical action, but it should be said that all bowlers have injuries. I wouldn't say Johnson was injured much more than most other bowlers, particularly not bowlers who were above 140kph their whole career.

IMO, rather than changing natural actions, the approach should be to strengthen the muscles in question and make sure no imbalances in counter-muscles occur (e.g. hamstrings are as developed as quads, to use the classic example). Strengthen the areas as much as you can and then deal with it IMO.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Yeah Johnson wasn't injury prone like Shane Bond or anything. More comparable to someone like Brett Lee. He had some stress fracture issues when he was young like most quicks, but he took 600ish international wickets despite not always being a guaranteed selection for his team. He had his fair share of injuries but I don't think it was a career crippled by them. Realistically I don't think many bowlers who bowl in the 150kph range are going to have long, injury free careers. I think missing a good portion of your early 20s through consistent injuries is far more common than the alternative, unfortunately.

 

[cnerd123]

You guys are correct, but shame on you for falling to Jord's tricks. No one said Starc's action was injury prone. Jord called it 'Jerky' as well as being prone to injury. OS and others disagreed on the jerky part, but Jord conflicted that and try to laugh off people calling it injury propf when no one ever said that. But he got you all to jump in and make posts defending Starc's potential injury-proneness.

For shame guys. For shame.

 

[Dan]

Intriguingly, Starc's been the least injury-prone of all young Aussie quicks, and he's bowled the most of any of them iirc.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Irrespective of whether he is injury prone or not, I wouldn't really consider that in a topic like this. I would focus more on the what skills these bowlers have and who has demonstrated growth and improvement and picked up new skills.

 

[Dan]

I think Chameera is the most fun. And the only one with a Pokemon-based nickname. So he has to win.

 

[54321]

On the topic of Rabada, does anyone else think he and Kyle Abbott will have a great bowling partnership together?
Rabada and Abbott, Abbott and Rabada. Has a nice ring to it