*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II

[Athlai]

AJ is a far more lucrative star than Rey or Danielson. Both of those us ended up big stars but AJ was the biggest in the Non-WWE world.

Didn't Brock go to Ufc after Japan?

 

[sledger]

AJ doesn't count because he was in WCW.

 

[Athlai]

Pfft. Sting counts, but he was ten years too late. Goldberg and Hogan and a bunch of the other Turner contract guys were all from the Wcw fallout. The only difference is contract lengths. It's the same bloody era.

 

[sledger]

Pfft. Sting counts, but he was ten years too late. Goldberg and Hogan and a bunch of the other Turner contract guys were all from the Wcw fallout. The only difference is contract lengths. It's the same bloody era.

Yeah, and were thus, free agents. That's kind of the whole point. For some reason you've decided to disqualify them as such because...reasons.

 

[GIMH]

AJ is a far more lucrative star than Rey or Danielson. Both of those us ended up big stars but AJ was the biggest in the Non-WWE world.

Didn't Brock go to Ufc after Japan?

Yeah he went to UFC after Japan but when he went to Japan is what I'm referring to.

Danielson was very much comparable to AJ. Rey, on the other hand, was money in the bank. This will bear out when AJ draws not an iota close to what Rey did for the E over the years.

AJ may be the biggest free agent from a snark perspective, though I honestly don't see that he was much more of a coup than Danielson other than the fact id assumed years ago we'd never see AJ in WWE. But Rey was guaranteed money with the kids, the marks and at that time before they turned on him because that's what they do, the smarks too.

If you discount the Hogans, Goldbergs and Nashes as free agents, fine. But you can't discount Rey, and there are few wrestlers this century who have been as lucrative as that little master. AJ won't come close, and I'm a fan.

 

[Athlai]

Yeah, and were thus, free agents. That's kind of the whole point. For some reason you've decided to disqualify them as such because...reasons.

And my original criteria was the death of Wcw,which the end of Wcw contracts include?

Because my criteria was to exclude these guys?

Comprende?

 

[Athlai]

Yeah he went to UFC after Japan but when he went to Japan is what I'm referring to.

Danielson was very much comparable to AJ. Rey, on the other hand, was money in the bank. This will bear out when AJ draws not an iota close to what Rey did for the E over the years.

AJ may be the biggest free agent from a snark perspective, though I honestly don't see that he was much more of a coup than Danielson other than the fact id assumed years ago we'd never see AJ in WWE. But Rey was guaranteed money with the kids, the marks and at that time before they turned on him because that's what they do, the smarks too.

If you discount the Hogans, Goldbergs and Nashes as free agents, fine. But you can't discount Rey, and there are few wrestlers this century who have been as lucrative as that little master. AJ won't come close, and I'm a fan.

I was a huge fan of Rey but AJ is on a whole different level in terms of the stardom they hold prior to signing, Danielson is the real smark gem for this but he was never the draw AJ became prior to WWE.

Lesnar in Japan is probably fair but didn't he leave WWE for football and then when that didn't work out try to come back to WWE who didn't want him?

 

[sledger]

And my original criteria was the death of Wcw,which the end of Wcw contracts include?

Because my criteria was to exclude these guys?

Comprende?

Their contracts had ended.

 

[Athlai]

If they didn't sign elsewhere to a major promotion after wcw stopped paying them then I still see it as fallout from the death of Wcw. It's not like they had the choice of staying with Wcw.

 

[sledger]

Well, yeah, I guess if I made up my own definition of what a free agent was I could make up some bogus argument re: who the hottest free agent ever was too.

 

[Dan]

Well, yeah, I guess if I made up my own definition of what a free agent was I could make up some bogus argument re: who the hottest free agent ever was too.

I'd say AJ Styles is the best thing since sliced bread, but by making up my own definition of what 'the best thing ever' is, all I'm doing is making up some bogus argument re: what the best thing ever is.

 

[GIMH]

I was a huge fan of Rey but AJ is on a whole different level in terms of the stardom they hold prior to signing, Danielson is the real smark gem for this but he was never the draw AJ became prior to WWE.

Lesnar in Japan is probably fair but didn't he leave WWE for football and then when that didn't work out try to come back to WWE who didn't want him?

Yeah he left for football but he was signed by a wrestling company as a free agent. Surely that counts.

Anyway. Do you honestly think AJ will earn more money for WWE than Rey? I can't begin to imagine that he could.

 

[Athlai]

Well, yeah, I guess if I made up my own definition of what a free agent was I could make up some bogus argument re: who the hottest free agent ever was too.

When did I say ever? I'm sorry you have such an issue with how I define the end of a significant period in wrestling contracts. Would you prefer I say since Tna began or the last ten years or since Tendulkar scored his 90Th century?

 

[Athlai]

Yeah he left for football but he was signed by a wrestling company as a free agent. Surely that counts.

Anyway. Do you honestly think AJ will earn more money for WWE than Rey? I can't begin to imagine that he could.

Hard to quantify, he will be a larger draw but won't move the same amount of merchandise.

 

[Jono]

Haha, your original post referred to free agents signed after WCW died. Higan, Gildberg and Lesnar all fit within this definition. I suppose you can make the argument that AJ was the most lucrative if you distinguish him from these others using arbitrary criteria, but the others were certainly all free agents.

Spelling seems unintentional but made me laugh. Particularly since Gildberg is so close to Gilberg

 

[Athlai]

What's with ADR vs. Kalisto being on the undercard and a 2/3 falls match?

The gimmick makes it seem awesome but they haven't even tried to promote it. Kalistos losing right?

Also Meltzer saying someone not on the roster (including NXT and injuries) is pencilled in against Taker.

The Rock? ...Stone Cold?

 

[social]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok0JhhDa-Wc

 

[Spikey]

joey's hardcore, there's no doubt about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXvXSHHQi4

Got me beat who Taker's mystery opponent is.

 

[Athlai]

Joey won me over the minute his character was a porno cop on LU.

Baby oil down the trunks? You just got yourself a fan you weird bastard.

 

[GIMH]

Hard to quantify, he will be a larger draw but won't move the same amount of merchandise.

People who move merch also shift DVDs (or network subscriptions now), put arses on seats in house shows, and eyes in front of TVs.

You can separate merchandising from drawing if you must, though I personally wouldn't, as if someone is buying your mask or t shirt, well that's drawing money. But it doesn't really matter anyway, because the two correlate often anyway. Kids don't buy the Rey mask and then note tune in or turn up. And the biggest pop I've ever been party to was for Rey.

AJ will do well and he came in over with the smarks and I'm sure the marks love him already, but to say he's likely to be more lucrative than Rey is a step too far for me.