Is Dhoni greatest OdI cricketer off all-time

[Sanz]

First Sanath was never reprimanded by a referee, except for slow over-rate on few occasions.

Yeah Right !!!

"...Sanath Jayasuriya became the fifth Sri Lankan player to fall foul of the match referee in this series when he was docked 60% of his match fee and banned for two Tests and two one-day internationals, the ban to be suspended for six months...."
Cricket: Jayasuriya fined as players shame the game | The Guardian | guardian.co.uk

Secondly Doesn't seems to be showing the finger. It's more like he inquiring something. The photo was published by tamil diaspora to get what ever support for their losing struggle by tarnishing SL. And you see, the site is also "tamileelam" blah blah.

Yeah right, He was just scratching his ears... Even his fansite acknowledges this, but you are something more than that, a blind fan.

Jayasuriya ? the Sri Lankan run-machine

"...it just happened that while playing in Toronto against Canada (Sanath was fielding at the boundary-line), someone in the crowd made a negative statement which forced him to show the crowd his middle finger...."

As for the pic, May be sanath never saw it.

 

[Sanz]

Don't you love his booty shaking with Sush

I dont know what was he thinking..making a fool out of himself on that show. It was embarrassing watching him.

 

[Chrish]

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[MrPrez]

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He's still not the best ODI cricketer of his generation imo, let alone best ever.

Amla averages more with the bat at the same strike rate as an opener.

AB averages more with the bat at a much higher strike rate, also while keeping a fair portion of the time.

Dhoni's stats are hugely bloated by a lot of not outs. Just look at his conversion rate - 9 100s; 60 50s. Given that he's batted at 6 for most of his career, his SR is significantly lower than it should be to be seen as at the same level as AB, Amla or Kohli. I know Dhoni keeps and captains, but his batting is significantly weaker than the aforementioned. Given AB keeps a fair bit too, I'd definitely have him above Dhoni in the all time stakes at the very least.

 

[Jono]

Sorry, I love Amla but he's not in Dhoni's league. Seriously. Sometimes you can just forget stats, just look at genuine impact.

 

[MrPrez]

Sorry, I love Amla but he's not in Dhoni's league. Seriously. Sometimes you can just forget stats, just look at genuine impact.

Amla scores tons of centuries, and anchors the South African innings regularly. Just because Dhoni scores the attractive runs towards the end of the innings doesn't mean he has more of an impact.

You're absolutely having a laugh if you don't think Amla is in Dhoni's league.

 

[cnerd123]

Amla scores tons of centuries, and anchors the South African innings regularly. Just because Dhoni scores the attractive runs towards the end of the innings doesn't mean he has more of an impact.

You're absolutely having a laugh if you don't think Amla is in Dhoni's league.

Nah. MSD has won tons of matches singlehandedly, lead India to a WC victory, and has played some really remarkable innings. And he's a top notch ODI keeper to boot. He's definitely a league above Amla.

 

[Burgey]

Just waiting for Kiwiviktor to post a reference to Kane Williamson in this thread.

 

[vcs]

Yeah, Dhoni's ahead of Amla (keeping + captaincy taken into account), but not in the same league is a tad harsh IMO. Kind of like the Bevan/Tendulkar debate all over again. Hard to compare players with different roles.

 

[MrPrez]

Nah. MSD has won tons of matches singlehandedly, lead India to a WC victory, and has played some really remarkable innings. And he's a top notch ODI keeper to boot. He's definitely a league above Amla.

His job as a number 5/6 batsman is to seemingly 'win matches single-handedly.' Amla's job is to anchor an innings from the opening batsman spot.

They've got different roles; you're just highlighting MSD's strengths while ignoring Amla's.

 

[MrPrez]

Yeah, Dhoni's ahead of Amla (keeping + captaincy taken into account), but not in the same league is a tad harsh IMO. Kind of like the Bevan/Tendulkar debate all over again. Hard to compare players with different roles.

Yeah I'm particularly talking about batting here, hence my initial post's caveat regarding Dhoni's keeping and captaincy. I would concede that Dhoni's keeping and captaincy make him the more valuable cricketer overall. But I certainly don't think it's fair to state that Dhoni is an inherently better ODI batsman than Amla.

 

[duffer]

What Nonsense !!

Also, wasn't it Sanath as captain of SL team who was suspended for his behavior ? Not to forget the recent incident in Toronto, Canada where he was found showing 'finger' to the crowd and before you go on denial, here is the proof :-

Now I look for justifications for such an impeccable record.


Or may be now you don't want to talk about behavior and would like to focus on their cricketing achievements..or even better go on start attacking me.

First Sanath was never reprimanded by a referee, except for slow over-rate on few occasions. Secondly Doesn't seems to be showing the finger. It's more like he inquiring something. The photo was published by tamil diaspora to get what ever support for their losing struggle by tarnishing SL. And you see, the site is also "tamileelam" blah blah. If you want to see some one showing the finger, this is how to do it.

Oh god this made me chuckle. I miss Sanz so much.

 

[MrPrez]

I think people greatly underrate Hashim Amla's ODI career. Of players with 10+ centuries, his century-innings ratio is only rivalled by Virat Kohli. He's been the quickest in terms of innings to reach every multiple of 1000 runs from 2k to 6k, comfortably. He averages over 50 with the bat as an opener, with only 9 not outs in 124 innings.

You can certainly argue that statistics aren't everything, but I don't think you can argue that Hashim Amla isn't in at least as good of a 'league' as any ODI batsman plying his trade today.

 

[Black_Warrior]

I think the reason Amla the ODI batsman does not get the same acclaim or attention is because he is playing in an era where AB, Kohli, Dhoni have redefined ODI batting, especially with their chasing skills. Amla falls way behind them in that category. He would easily have been the best ODI batsman had he played an era earlier.

When you look at the disparity in his records when batting first and batting second, in an era of chasing specialists like Kohli, it's natural that he won't be held in the same regard.


7 of his 21 hundreds are against West Indies and Zimbabwe

Only 4 of his 21 hundreds are in the second innings, out of which 2 are against West Indies and Zimbabwe.

Once again, these are not stats to be ashamed of or scoff at. There's nothing really wrong with them nor is there anything worthy of criticism. 21 hundreds in only 127 games is pretty ****ing impressive. All it says is that in this era of ODI batting, the bar has been set quite high by a few other blokes, and when you see Kohli smashing centuries against Australia for fun, and Amla has only 1 century against them, it's clear why he is not held in the same regard in ODI cricket.

 

[marc71178]

Yeah, for me Dhoni is a lock for an all time eleven, Amla doesn't even come into consideration for me. The biggest players do it on the biggest stage to separate them from the JAMODI players.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah, Amla isn't rated as highly as the others because he's never delivered even one truly significant innings in WCs. Almost all his big scores have been against minnows. AB on the other hand has always stepped up in WCs, and while Kohli hasn't dominated, he's played a few vital innings. Amla falls short here in a big way.

 

[vcs]

TBF, Dhoni also only has that one WC final knock (I know, it's a pretty ****ing big deal) in terms of performances in big tournaments. His overall WC record was being questioned before that final in 2011. So Amla's basically one innings away from being rated at that level, which sounds kind of absurd.

 

[91Jmay]

I think AB and Kohli will likely end up regarded as the two greatest ODI players ever. I'd still have Sachin above Dhoni for now.

 

[Black_Warrior]

A Dhoni-Amla comparison and a Kohli/AB-Amla comparison is not the same. The latter bat in the top order and get more or less similar opportunities to produce those big knocks.

Dhoni on the other hand bats 5 or 6. So he has to be assessed according to his batting position. I personally don't look at just World Cups, although I do look at it among other factors as well. In ODI batting, chasing big totals, finishing games, bringing back games from dead are factors I look at as well and Dhoni scores above him in that regard.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I think AB and Kohli will likely end up regarded as the two greatest ODI players ever. I'd still have Sachin above Dhoni for now.

If Starc stays injury-free he could outdo AB and Kohli. Williamson won't be far behind either (just needs to convert 80s/90s into 120s. Needs some more not outs too. Anyway, I'd have Viv over all of them.