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[Victor Ian]

How so? I'm not disputing you, because the above was only my own conception based on nothing much really, but in the age before these flat wickets started to prevail Australia produced players that dominated the whole world, both here and on tracks the world over.

 

[Furball]

been mentioned a few times, probably not as much as it could have because it goes without saying that it's obviously the reason for recent flat pitches

Having to use drop ins because they play on AFL grounds doesn't help.

 

[Jono]

Adelaide Oval was a drop in this year though wasn't it?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah but the drop ins are considered one reason why the pitches are flat, slow and dead rather than flat, fast and bouncy.

iirc the Adelaide pitch is a bit if an exception as the left the grass a lot longer than any normal Test pitch would

 

[Jono]

Yeah I get that but it shows that you can make a good test wicket from a drop-in. Clearly drop-ins aren't ideal but you can make it more bowler friendly - its not impossible

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah but they don't want it more bowler-friendly in that way. 3-day tests don't help the broadcasters.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Impressive stamina, Jedi.

 

[Adders]

this is where you're wrong. The wickets could be far bouncier and have a lot more pace, would help them a hell of a lot more than the slow dead **** they've been dishing up

Depending on who they are playing. Sub continent teams yes......England, NZ and South Africa No.

I know you wont accept it (and that's fair enough......your opinion V's mine) but that is where they ****ed up with the 2010 MCG wicket. It was produced to give your bowlers the edge, but it handed the test to Englands bowlers when we won the toss. As much as I like to LOL at how that test played out, I totally accept if Australia had bowled first and bowled well (which is very debatable if they would have) then the test could have played out very differently.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Depending on who they are playing. Sub continent teams yes......England, NZ and South Africa No.

I know you wont accept it (and that's fair enough......your opinion V's mine) but that is where they ****ed up with the 2010 MCG wicket. It was produced to give your bowlers the edge, but it handed the test to Englands bowlers when we won the toss. As much as I like to LOL at how that test played out, I totally accept if Australia had bowled first and bowled well (which is very debatable if they would have) then the test could have played out very differently.

I don't really know much about the 2010 MCG test tbh. But things were a lot different back then. If they did go out of their way to "doctor" a wicket to help then that's something they should do more now, regardless of how it turned out.

Pretty sure I've said this a few times, but this whole pitch discussion is generally based around the last few years, not really 5+ years ago where the wickets were all very different. But I appreciate your contribution nonetheless.

 

[Spark]

MCG wasn't really the wicket, was it? It was a slightly greenish version of a normal MCG pitch, it was really the overhead conditions + Anderson more than anything else.

Certainly it didn't look particularly hard for batting by the afternoon...

 

[Adders]

MCG wasn't really the wicket, was it? It was a slightly greenish version of a normal MCG pitch, it was really the overhead conditions + Anderson more than anything else.

Certainly it didn't look particularly hard for batting by the afternoon...

Nah it was green....very green on that first morning. That combined with overcast conditions set up the carnage that followed, and pretty much as soon as England came out to bat the sun came out and the wicket flattened right out.

But seriously, what happened in Perth was 100% an influence on the wicket that was served up in Melbourne.

Edit:

This was the morning of the test.

 

[honestbharani]

Expecting TJB to understand facts there, Adders?

 

[Gnske]

Oh dear, I guess Jedi out-memed himself.

 

[Gob]

Gone but not forgotten

 

[vic_orthdox]

It took Saker to convince them to bowl first, it was hardly the wicket that's being made out.

I thought it was greener in Sydney the next game when Clarke won the toss and batted.

 

[Gob]

Cant wait for the return of the jedi

 

[91Jmay]

Wonder how much Stokes will move up after this test? Surely going to be one of the biggest shifts ever.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Cant wait for the return of the jedi

should come back with darth vader as his avatar imo

 

[honestbharani]

You mean there is a Palpatine behind him?

 

[mr_mister]

Wonder how much Stokes will move up after this test? Surely going to be one of the biggest shifts ever.

how far did Wasim move up after his random 257*