I agree ashwin is class when playing in Asia, but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you genuinely believe that^
So many errors I don't even know where to start, firstly, Steyn and Philander only played one test, in which they bowled decently. Secondly Morkel actually was SA's standout bowler despite Harmer taking more wickets. Another thing, if you bowl well on pitches that offer a bit to the spinners than you CAN ACTUALLY take wickets, SHOCKING isn't it? Harmer actually bowled well for most of his wickets and got put away when not bowling well, the different between Indian spinners and SA spinners was that SA's spinners simply weren't able to put the ball on good areas consistently enough to close out Indian innings, whereas Indian spinners were at SA all the time. Lastly this India batting line up is much weaker overall than the previous generation, so a bunch of low scores isn't that surprising.
You still haven't said a single relevant thing. India's bowlers have been massively helped by ridiculously helpful conditions where ordinary spin bowlers have done well.
yeah that's basically what I was getting at. Must be a record for amount of changes in a year
Lyon has taken 46 wickets @ 31 in Australia over the last two years, so I don't get how its a batsmans paradise.
This doesn't make sense. If you're saying the Indian pitches help even ordinary spinners like Tahir and Elgar, while Ashwin does well even on other less helpful SC pitches, doesn't that hurt India's chances instead of giving us a massive advantage? You sort of defeated your own point there.
It's about knowing how to bowl on a pitch. The same Lyon who picks up wickets in Australia got completely taken apart on the Indian pitches which were described as "shockers" and "rank dustbowls" by guys like Ryan Harris.
Hmm, no, my point was not that India's pitches are helping them. It was that they are helping their spin bowlers. And regardless of that, also, no, it wouldn't hurt India's chances at all because it is accentuating their strength and negating the opposition's. Slightly helping opposition spinners isn't going to hurt when you're concurrently rendering their fast bowlers and batsman far less effective. This should be obvious to even a casual fan.
Or, it could be because that was over 2 years ago, which is the period stated in TNT's post.
So where do Southee and Boult stand? Not as good as Siddle or Hazlewood?
Lyon took 15 wickets @ 37. And just for the record Harris didn't bowl one ball in that series.
You say that as if averaging 37 on pitches which had help for the spinners us somehow impressive. Lyon was ****ing terrible. Not as woeful as he was in UAE but still woeful.
Series averages can be misleading
Did you not see Morkel and Abbott's spells in that series? These posts are very weird.
So that makes tracks in Australia a batsman paradise, I just don't see the connection.
It is just the sad state of ignorance from an Australian fan trying to get one up.
How can you not see that that doesn't support your point at all . . . in fact quite the opposite. If Lyon bowled well and still went for runs, that would support your contention.
stupid post. If you take out the best or worst results of any set of data the results will change significantly, you could say that for anything. It has no relevance to the discussion whatsoever.
You're doing it again
if you're not going to engage in intelligent conversation and you're just here to troll and ignore any insights that have been gained throughout the thread's discussion then you're wasting both your own time and everyone else's and I don't really understand what you're doing here tbh
