***Official*** West Indies in Australia 2015/16

[Dan]

Amazed that someone saying "umpires should call no balls consistently" has resulted in giant waaaahhhhs. Then again, it is Jono.

 

[Gnske]

Tbh I don't disagree with *****, just think bowlers shouldn't be absolved of too much responsibility on that front.

 

[Stapel]

Good MORNING all. I just got out of bed. Has Jason Holder been edging his way to 68* ? Or was his innings more decent than the false strokes I got to see right now?

 

[Gob]

throw the ball to Marsh

y u so good Gob

 

[TheJediBrah]

They work in the nets to perfect their runup to a tee. Make it such a part of their muscle memory that they could bowl in their sleep.

They then go out to the field, measure it out in steps, drop a marker at the point from which they start their runup.

Sometimes mistakes happen, and they drop that marker down a little too close to the crease, and as such when they run in to bowl, they overstep.

Sometimes they're not in perfect rhythm, and are adding/losing a step somewhere in the runup.

Either way, they cannot tell they are overstepping until and unless the umpires call them. Once called, they can re-measure their run up, drag the marker back a bit, make the adjustment and return to normal.

It's not like they're bowling no-balls in the nets and then carrying that bad habit into the field. That's not how bowling works at all. Bowlers never look at the crease when they run in. They make sure they're starting off their runup from an appropriate distance to ensure their foot lands behind the line. Sometimes mistakes happen. This isn't something that will be fixed by coaching. The umpires just need to do their ****ing job.

For all we know the umpires are regularly telling the bowlers that they are close to the line, just not calling them.

IMO bowlers and umpires are both equally at fault, but especially the umpires. Calling no-balls is one of the few ****ing jobs you have, just do it. And if it's too hard get the 3rd umpire to do it.

Having no one do it unless it happens to be a wicket is ****ed up and just not good enough

 

[Flem274*]

Is there some kimd of rule that jason holder shows up all his mates with the bat at least once a series?

#4 batsman in this team

 

[Hurricane]

Siddle's ball to Holder in the first dig was h4x

 

[Spikey]

Amazed that someone saying "umpires should call no balls consistently" has resulted in giant waaaahhhhs. Then again, it is Jono.

jono should take a tip from steve smith and declare early next time. embarrassing effort from him today

 

[Gob]

My take on the No ball checking thing is that its inconsistent. There must be many no balls that are going unnoticed up until a wicket happens. Why can't they just give the feed of the no ball checking camera straight to the 3rd ump who most of the time sit on his arse doing nothing so he can immediately inform the on field ump and there won't be more than few seconds delay

One of the greatest feelings as a cricket watcher is the euphoria you get when a bowler from your team breach through a stubborn partnership and i'm afraid the no ball checking thing has ruined it for a degree

 

[Jono]

Amazed that someone saying "umpires should call no balls consistently" has resulted in giant waaaahhhhs. Then again, it is Jono.

Except he didn't say "umpires should call no balls".

He wrote 6 paragraph posts saying it multiple times.

No one disagrees that umpires should call no balls.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Except he didn't say "umpires should call no balls".

He wrote 6 paragraph posts saying it multiple times.

No one disagrees that umpires should call no balls.

waaaahhh?

 

[Jono]

yeah it was a big wahh from *****, good call OverratedSanity, even though you should have been banned when Ramdin got out

 

[91Jmay]

They work in the nets to perfect their runup to a tee. Make it such a part of their muscle memory that they could bowl in their sleep.

They then go out to the field, measure it out in steps, drop a marker at the point from which they start their runup.

Sometimes mistakes happen, and they drop that marker down a little too close to the crease, and as such when they run in to bowl, they overstep.

Sometimes they're not in perfect rhythm, and are adding/losing a step somewhere in the runup.

Either way, they cannot tell they are overstepping until and unless the umpires call them. Once called, they can re-measure their run up, drag the marker back a bit, make the adjustment and return to normal.

It's not like they're bowling no-balls in the nets and then carrying that bad habit into the field. That's not how bowling works at all. Bowlers never look at the crease when they run in. They make sure they're starting off their runup from an appropriate distance to ensure their foot lands behind the line. Sometimes mistakes happen. This isn't something that will be fixed by coaching. The umpires just need to do their ****ing job.

Umpires or 3rd umpire should be checking every delivery but most of this is largely bollocks. If you've ever watched bowlers in the nets they often bowl massive no balls almost every delivery because they are practising their skills with the ball and rarely care about their run ups. They then mark out their run up either with a tape measure or based on a couple of deliveries in the warm up. It is no way the exact science you are making it out to be, and just something to get them into a rhythm.
The muscle memory thing is really bizarre. The comms even had a part on Morne Morkel (who has bowled great and in rhythm) who is using different run ups in this test match.

 

[Compton]

It's not like they're bowling no-balls in the nets and then carrying that bad habit into the field. That's not how bowling works at all.

That's all fine and well, except it's completely incorrect.

Listen to the commentary literally every time this is discussed (normally post-no ball wicket) and you'll hear the exact same conversation. Botham mentions that players bowl no balls in the nets, but say it doesn't matter because they won't do it in matches, then use the recent no-ball as evidence that they need to stop overstepping in the nets.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah anyone whose played with actual fast bowlers will know they always bowl massive no-balls in the nets

That's why it doesn't count when they get you out . . .

 

[Jono]

91j, Compton and jedibrah dominating here. Dan and Spikey less so.

 

[Spikey]

the world would be a better place if everyone had stopped talking about no-balls after i said

They're under order not to call them unless they are certain it's a no-ball. The first Patto one and the Haze one is so marginal it would be insane to call them live

 

[Top_Cat]

superb declaration again by Smith in the tradition of Mark Taylor, another bloke who preferred the early close and backed his bowlers.

 

[Spikey]

yeah it single handily caused peter siddle's injury

 

[TheJediBrah]

yeah it single handily caused peter siddle's injury

wait wut