How do Williamson/Root/Smith compare to Tendulkar/Ponting/Lara?

[smash84]

Murali Warne Kumble...then who? Saqlian briefy. Occasionally MacGill. Dan V. Bhajji. Boje and Adams. Giles. Kaneria. Did the West Indies even have a spinner?

In between we had Swann, and currently we have Ashwin, Herath, Lyon, Yasir, and even Shakib. Add to that ocassionally brilliant performances from the likes of Mishra, Bishoo, Tahir, Jadeja...while its weaker, the gap isnt as great as you are making it out to be.

Oh come on. Murali and Warne are the greatest spinners ever to play the game. The gap is pretty big. And in the 90s Saqlain was probably very very good too. Then kumble and mushy.

Of course you also had the ian Salisbury s of the world on the other end. So bad

 

[Chrish]

As good as Anderson and Broad are, if they are the 2nd and 3rd best pace bowlers right now then it really tells you something about overall standard of current pace bowling. Not downgrading achievements of current batsmen by any means but I am telling what I see here.

 

[vcs]

Lara was a bit of a one-off in terms of flamboyance and effectiveness. Maybe Pietersen came closest to matching that after him, though I didn't find him that aesthetically pleasing.

Purely in terms of style:

Williamson = Tendulkar
Kohli = Ponting
Root = Kallis (? not seen enough of him)

Smith seems a bit like Viv Richards style-wise with his leg-side preference, again not seen enough to judge.

 

[Daemon]

Agree with hb. The 90s clearly had better bowling, but you can only play what's in front of you and the three haven't given any indication that they'd be significantly worse off against better bowling.

 

[Athlai]

I think the bowlers of the 2000s and 2010s are a bit underrated and there are a heck of a lot of factors beyond simply skill level that are changing averages and how often we see wickets falling.

But this is already pretty off track.

 

[Hurricane]

Tendulkar's technique was out of this world. Kane's as good as he is, is not of that standard. Srt had some iconic moments that were breathtaking.

 

[cnerd123]

Oh come on. Murali and Warne are the greatest spinners ever to play the game. The gap is pretty big. And in the 90s Saqlain was probably very very good too. Then kumble and mushy.

Of course you also had the ian Salisbury s of the world on the other end. So bad

The latter is kinda what I'm hinting at. We remember Warne Murali and Kumble, but no one remember the buckets of runs scored against guys like Kaneria and Boje. A decade from now fans will be looking back at this current era and getting all nostalgic about how amazing it must have been to watch Williamson, Root, Kohli, Smith, Mathews etc face off against Ashwin, Yasir, Herath, Lyon, Boult, Southee, Steyn, Anderson, Broad...people aren't going to remember Voges smacking 269 against Worrican and Braithwaite.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Tendulkar's technique was out of this world. Kane's as good as he is, is not of that standard. Srt had some iconic moments that were breathtaking.

What a confusing post

 

[Hurricane]

What a confusing post[/QUOTE

Won't bite at that

 

[OverratedSanity]

Bite what? You said "Kane's as good as Sachin is" and then immediately followed it up by saying "he's not at that standard". Who wouldnt be confused?

 

[Immenso]

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What a confusing post

Won't bite at that

It is though.
It's genuinely hard to read. Took a couple of reads to comprehend what I think you were trying to write.

Missing a comma. And you need to substitute 'it' for 'he'.

Your welcome.

 

[Hurricane]

Kane as good as Kane is, is not of srt's standard

 

[cnerd123]

Reckon Cane had a Green Button moment there

 

[Athlai]

I got you Hurricane. **** those guys, you can be my secret Santa anytime.

 

[CricAddict]

It is though.
It's genuinely hard to read. Took a couple of reads to comprehend what I think you were trying to write.

Missing a comma. And you need to substitute 'it' for 'he'.

Your welcome.

Yes, I too got what Hurricane said once I read it. But, this grammar edit is perfect. Would have been easier to comprehend.

 

[Flem274*]

OK, so I actually cbf going back and checking what the records of the guys aged 25 Slifer didn't show were because I am a lazy man. Since Pollock's 16 tests of Hazlewood-esque statistics were his second of two examples my suspicion is the rest were in the ballpark of or worse than the current generation in their mid twenties.

The McGrath of 500 wickets wasn't bowling to the Lara of a million centuries in the 90s. Even as recently as 1999 I remember people saying McGrath was way off so and so bowler and had heaps to prove.

I bet my non-existent home that in the future battles like Williamson/Smith/Root/Kohli v Australian/NZ/English/South African quicks will look much much better to nostalgics and stats porn extroadinaires than they do now.

To reiterate, I'm not saying Trent Boult or Mitchell Starc are the equals of Wasim Akram or Hazlewood and Southee the new McGrath's right now, I'm saying that in the 90s Slifer would have been posting exactly what he is now with some substituted names. Lara/Ponting/Sachin haven't succeeded against Marshall/Hadlee/Lillee so will never be as good as Border/Viv/Miandad.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Ponting doesn't even belong with Lara and Tendulkar never mind the other three wannabees.

 

[smash84]

Lara was a bit of a one-off in terms of flamboyance and effectiveness. Maybe Pietersen came closest to matching that after him, though I didn't find him that aesthetically pleasing.

Purely in terms of style:

Williamson = Tendulkar
Kohli = Ponting
Root = Kallis (? not seen enough of him)

Smith seems a bit like Viv Richards style-wise with his leg-side preference, again not seen enough to judge.

Hey dude. Welcome back. Long time

 

[weldone]

Tendulkar, Williamson, Lara, Rahane - possibly in that order if I have to predict

 

[Slifer]

OK, so I actually cbf going back and checking what the records of the guys aged 25 Slifer didn't show were because I am a lazy man. Since Pollock's 16 tests of Hazlewood-esque statistics were his second of two examples my suspicion is the rest were in the ballpark of or worse than the current generation in their mid twenties.

The McGrath of 500 wickets wasn't bowling to the Lara of a million centuries in the 90s. Even as recently as 1999 I remember people saying McGrath was way off so and so bowler and had heaps to prove.

I bet my non-existent home that in the future battles like Williamson/Smith/Root/Kohli v Australian/NZ/English/South African quicks will look much much better to nostalgics and stats porn extroadinaires than they do now.

To reiterate, I'm not saying Trent Boult or Mitchell Starc are the equals of Wasim Akram or Hazlewood and Southee the new McGrath's right now, I'm saying that in the 90s Slifer would have been posting exactly what he is now with some substituted names. Lara/Ponting/Sachin haven't succeeded against Marshall/Hadlee/Lillee so will never be as good as Border/Viv/Miandad.

Actually I wouldn't have and didn't. Fresh out the gate Bcl and srt did some pretty extra ordinary things and I was sold on them rather early.

I know more about bcl so I'll use him as an example. Lara scored 90 odd vs Garner and mm at a very early age and from thence he showed his class. Followed that up with gun performances in domestic cricket and when India toured in 89 he single handedly took hirwani apart. Now the name hirwani might not ring a bell to most of u lot but if any of u remember the tour by the wi prior to that u know what I mean. Lara was destined for greatness and actually should've made his debut much earlier but for politics he didn't. Needless to say that by the time he did, he lived up to the hype (even by age 25). Also by time Lara got into his stride (and srt for that matter) the likes of Amby, Walsh, Wasim, Waqar, Donald, De Villiers, Warne, Mcdermott etc were already established names in world cricket. The likes of Mcgrath, Murali, Gillespie came later on.


Anyway I think it's way way too early to be comparing kw and co to once in a lifetime players like srt/bcl