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**Official** New Zealand in Australia 2015

TheJediBrah

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NZTailender said:
So the ICC admitted the Llong decision was wrong (Nigel Wwrong). Given that Lyon scored 34, had he been out for a duck and Starc still scored 24, Australia would've been chasing 221 in the 4th innings.
  • They lost a wicket every 43.714 deliveries in that innings
  • They were going at 3.66 runs per over.
  • To get the extra 34 they would've needed 9 overs, or 54 deliveries.
  • In which time they would've lost 1 more wicket at the rate they had been.
  • They chase it down 2 wickets in hand
  • :ph34r:
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please don't take away NZ supporters' reasons for complaining, without it they wouldn't know what to do with their lives

vandem said:
So the ICC admitted the Llong decision was wrong. Given that Lyon and Nevill scored 74 runs in their partnership that should have ended with 2 runs ...

Yup, Aussie had a leg-up from the umpiring mistake. All else being equal there would have been a 1-1 series result.

But it's in the scorebook now. Ask Danny Morrison, you don't get a 2nd chance against the Aussies.
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lel, see

Top_Cat said:
And yet poor Bev kept missing out despite world-beating genius. Wonder why.
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not sure I understand this post, seems almost sarcastic, but bizarrely so. The reason is obvious and everyone knows why.
 
Gob

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vandem said:
So the ICC admitted the Llong decision was wrong. Given that Lyon and Nevill scored 74 runs in their partnership that should have ended with 2 runs ...

Yup, Aussie had a leg-up from the umpiring mistake. All else being equal there would have been a 1-1 series result.

But it's in the scorebook now. Ask Danny Morrison, you don't get a 2nd chance against the Aussies.
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If my aunt had balls etc
 
Hurricane

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Fuller Pilch said:
Actually that Danny Morrison LBW on Craig McDermott was worse than the 6 minute Llong review (the puns keep coming). That was a guaranteed test win, but there were no guarantees we would've won the Adelaide had Lyon been dismissed then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NtFlb_KOCU
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I am fine with Llong's decision. At least it was incompetence and not deliberate. The example you have above by Umpire French is a deliberate home town call. The 1980s was a dire period of umpiring. I thought the two on field umpires in the series did a bang up job.

Even if the ball pitched outside leg stump you could be out lbw in those years.
 
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Skyliner

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Umpire French standing at square leg for the Dyer non-catch as well, where he would have had a clear view of the ball hitting the deck. Indicated to Umpire Crafter that it was a clean catch.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
TheJediBrah said:
most of that is just completely false

Bevan dominated Shield cricket for over a decade, had 1000 run seasons and averaged 70-80 in his better years. And this was when Shield cricket was at times almost as challenging as Test cricket in terms of standard.
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No.
 
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Dan

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I spoke to Peter McIntyre while I was in Adelaide, and he said it was significantly easier -- for him at least -- bowling to touring Test players than it was in the Shield, simply because the Shield blokes knew you inside out from playing against you all the time. When everybody knows each other -- and their respective strengths and weaknesses -- I can see how it would make for harder, tougher cricket, even if the players were less-good than international Test blokes.
 
mr_mister

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who would score more runs against a World XI bowling attack of the late '90s. England's top 7 in the late '90s or the best 7 shield batsmen not in the Aussie test team in the late '90s
 
Athlai

Athlai

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mr_mister said:
who would score more runs against a World XI bowling attack of the late '90s. England's top 7 in the late '90s or the best 7 shield batsmen not in the Aussie test team in the late '90s
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Na that isn't quite how it works, you can't just make it Australia's 2nd XI vs. a Test team. The domestic comp has a far wider player pool than that. You basically need to take the actual XIs from the time and imagine how they'd do in the Test environment of the day. I'd say a couple times the Shield has arguably been strong enough where none of the state teams would necessarily be ranked at the bottom of the top 8 Test nations if they represented Australia but come on, beyond a few stellar NSW sides you'd be hard pressed to compare them with some of the better Test teams either.
 
TheJediBrah

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Athlai said:
Na that isn't quite how it works, you can't just make it Australia's 2nd XI vs. a Test team. The domestic comp has a far wider player pool than that. You basically need to take the actual XIs from the time and imagine how they'd do in the Test environment of the day. I'd say a couple times the Shield has arguably been strong enough where none of the state teams would necessarily be ranked at the bottom of the top 8 Test nations if they represented Australia but come on, beyond a few stellar NSW sides you'd be hard pressed to compare them with some of the better Test teams either.
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A full strength SA or India in home conditions would most likely comfortably have handled Shield teams most of the time. Though I still remember from late 90s to late 00s almost every single tour match in Aus seemed to just be a random shield side dominating the tourists. It was pretty lulzy.

obviously you have to take into account home advantage, form issues etc. but that sort of thing never seemed to happen on any other tours
 
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Dan

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TheJediBrah said:
A full strength SA or India in home conditions would most likely comfortably have handled Shield teams most of the time. Though I still remember from late 90s to late 00s almost every single tour match in Aus seemed to just be a random shield side dominating the tourists. It was pretty lulzy.

obviously you have to take into account home advantage, form issues etc. but that sort of thing never seemed to happen on any other tours
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Fringe Aussie player with a point to prove vs. overseas blokes trying to ease into a tour and acclimatise, having never seen the fringe bloke play.
 
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