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***Official*** South Africa in India 2015

Pratters

Pratters

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***** said:
Oh, the point I was trying to make is that Ranji averages reflect heavily on your home surface. Jadeja used to play on really flat pitches, allowing him to accomplish that average and those feats. I don't follow Ranji too closely, but Mumbai tracks tend to be fairly batting friendly, and if anything support quick bowlers more (Mumbai pioneered having seamer friendly surfaces, an army of medium pacers, and rotating them in short bursts to great effect). Rahane's 60 average need not mean he's brilliant at spin. For its size and complexity, many players do not actually face a wide range of surfaces during their time at Ranji.
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There are enough turners around and Rahane does play half of his fc ranji cricket outside Mumbai. So I disagree there. I do agree pitches should have more character. We used to have a bouncy Mohali, a turn oriented Chennai etc. If we had people working and developing different kinds of pitches it would help our cricket a lot. However, what we see is no real plan for these.
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Re Rohit Sharma: he just doesn't have the concentration for a test player right now. One needs to be dogged at the wicket and have the discipline to not play lose shots. I don't care if strokes look like a million bucks.
 
cnerd123

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Pratters said:
There are enough turners around and Rahane does play half of his fc ranji cricket outside Mumbai. So I disagree there. I do agree pitches should have more character. We used to have a bouncy Mohali, a turn oriented Chennai etc. If we had people working and developing different kinds of pitches it would help our cricket a lot. However, what we see is no real plan for these.
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I looked this up, and somehow Rahane has only played 38 Ranji games?

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This can't be right?

38 Ranji games, 17 of which are in Mumbai, and the remaining 21 across 15 different grounds.
 
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Pratters

Pratters

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That should be right. Players also play Duleep Trophy. They should play a few more first class games each season. Once they get into the Indian team, just dont have enough breaks to play any amount of domestic fc cricket.
 
cnerd123

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Anyways, here's what is relevant:

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It makes for pretty interesting reading. Rahane has batted on a lot of different grounds; but not on any one pitch more than 15 times. He has a grand total of 145 FC innings to date, which includes 38 in Tests. 34/145 in Mumbai. So he is pretty well travelled.

The sheer number of grounds he's played only 1 match on is fascinating. I think this is what makes him a good traveller - he has had a lot of experience of showing up to a ground without having previous experience of the pitch. He has been moulded into a cricketer who is able to assess conditions quickly and adapt to them.

Actually makes his average of 60 all that more remarkable tbh.
 
indiaholic

indiaholic

International Captain
***** said:
Anyways, here's what is relevant:

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It makes for pretty interesting reading. Rahane has batted on a lot of different grounds; but not on any one pitch more than 15 times. He has a grand total of 145 FC innings to date, which includes 38 in Tests. 34/145 in Mumbai. So he is pretty well travelled.

The sheer number of grounds he's played only 1 match on is fascinating. I think this is what makes him a good traveller - he has had a lot of experience of showing up to a ground without having previous experience of the pitch. He has been moulded into a cricketer who is able to assess conditions quickly and adapt to them.

Actually makes his average of 60 all that more remarkable tbh.
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Not fair to say that is what makes him a good traveler. Maybe all domestic players have a career pattern similar to this?
 
cnerd123

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indiaholic said:
Not fair to say that is what makes him a good traveler. Maybe all domestic players have a career pattern similar to this?
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True. Maybe Rahane just prefers pace/swing as a result of developing in Mumbai's youth structure; so he adapts well to pitches that require those skills and would struggle on dustbowls at home.

Maybe someone with more knowledge on the pitches can do an analysis on his performances in various conditions based on the ground statistics.

Would be worth checking up the career patterns of the rest of the batsmen in the side too.
 
indiaholic

indiaholic

International Captain
***** said:
True. Maybe Rahane just prefers pace/swing as a result of developing in Mumbai's youth structure; so he adapts well to pitches that require those skills and would struggle on dustbowls at home.

Maybe someone with more knowledge on the pitches can do an analysis on his performances in various conditions based on the ground statistics.

Would be worth checking up the career patterns of the rest of the batsmen in the side too.
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Just checked. Pujara has 40ish (!) grounds on which he has played just once.
 
weldone

weldone

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Overall I'm a little disappointed with the batting effort so far. Vijay and Dhawan provided a good cautious start. But we should've been in a better position with 6 specialist batsmen. We should have aimed for 350 against this attack (which is still possible, but doesn't look likely), in spite of the uneven pitch. Rohit's dismissal was pathetic given the situation;but I am also disappointed to see Pujara missing a straight ball. The scoreboard doesn't look good at the moment in spite of Rahane and Amlol. The only reason we may still feel that we're not in such a bad situation is because we have the world's best spinner. But if you forget our bowling for a moment and look at pitch and SA bowling only, the batting effort hasn't been good enough.
 
Howe_zat

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G.I.Joe said:
Of course he's not world class yet. You're a lawyer FFS. You deal with proof. Runs on the board are proof. He's had no runs at home until today. It's not a difficult concept to get one's head around.

I swear reading some posts on here is like stepping into a classroom at the special childrens school.
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I din't even say he wasn't world class, because I don't really think there's an agreed definition of 'world class'. I said that he wouldn't be picked for a world XI, which is obviously true.

He's not in the top 10 batsmen in the world right now, and if you want to argue with that assessment you should first argue with the ICC rankings which have him at 26th
 
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weldone

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If someone is saying Rahane should be in the top 10 currently based on performances alone then he's being stupid. But a lot of us think that he has the potential to be in top 5 for a long time starting anytime soon.
 
Black_Warrior

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
G.I.Joe said:
Lack of any significant innings in India is hardly a "small concern". Even light hearted posts need an element of truth to them.
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Yeah but the problem with this kind of argument is that he has only played 4 games in India. I don't have any problem with people who wait to see runs on the scorecard before making a judgement. Perfectly fair. All I said was that with enough games, Rahane would have those runs as well which we are starting to see already.
 
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