Chris Cairns' Perjury Trial

[hendrix]

Justice coming at a price?

The end result will be, if Modi wins, a judgement for $3M pounds. Cairns will declare bankruptcy. Again if he hasn't already done so. And Modhi gains nothing.
Justice I guess gets served in that Cairns lost a court case. So for those keeping tabs on these things it will murky his name further. Is that the Justice Modi wants to take someone who has a 1/100 level of credibility in the eyes of the public and reduce them to a 0.5/100 level of credibility? Cairns is up the boohai with or without the 3rd law suit. His only hope is that in 20 years from now he becomes a B grade celebrity and can appear on degrading reality tv shows which are particularly desperate for ratings. He can play that card whether or not he loses this third case.

There is a hard earned lesson I have learned that perhaps KiwiViktor if he is reading this might relate to: "As bad as things are they can always get worse. There is no such things as rock bottom". Modi can make Cairns' life more of a misery over the next 6 months and possibly even make him lose his relationship with his wife, I don't know at some stage she could stop beleiving in him. So he can still lose more, but I don't see how Modi gains by sending Cairns into a deeper level of hell than he already is. Modi's values are not becoming or ideal.

gun ****ing post, apart from the stuff about the wife because she's clearly in on it whatever is up.

 

[Hurricane]

Probably Cairns should not have engaged himself with fixing (which I have no doubt in my mind) in the first place to begin with

So lets publicly stone him? Every crime deserves to be dealt with, this is turning into a "cruel and unusual punishment"

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

So lets publicly stone him? Every crime deserves to be dealt with, this is turning into a "cruel and unusual punishment"

Look I am a great believer in forgiving but you have to accept your crime and admit you were wrong. He is still going around in denial.

 

[hendrix]

Look I am a great believer in forgiving but you have to accept your crime and admit you were wrong. He is still going around in denial.

errr yeah but he hasn't actually be found guilty of anything in any court, criminal or civil...

I mean yeah I think he's guilty but...

 

[hendrix]

re: Cairns' wealth:

a) He benefited from the matchfixing and laundered the money and probably has in excess of $5million (conservatively) somewhere in the middle east.

b) He was ripped off by the gangsters that run the matchfixing rig and has bugger all

c) He never matchfixed and has the meagre salary that a NZC player made in the early 2000s (i.e. bugger all, even someone like Cairns) plus endorsements and "diamond trading".

 

[jcas0167]

Justice coming at a price?

The end result will be, if Modi wins, a judgement for $3M pounds. Cairns will declare bankruptcy. Again if he hasn't already done so. And Modhi gains nothing.
Justice I guess gets served in that Cairns lost a court case. So for those keeping tabs on these things it will murky his name further. Is that the Justice Modi wants to take someone who has a 1/100 level of credibility in the eyes of the public and reduce them to a 0.5/100 level of credibility? Cairns is up the boohai with or without the 3rd law suit. His only hope is that in 20 years from now he becomes a B grade celebrity and can appear on degrading reality tv shows which are particularly desperate for ratings. He can play that card whether or not he loses this third case.

There is a hard earned lesson I have learned that perhaps KiwiViktor if he is reading this might relate to: "As bad as things are they can always get worse. There is no such things as rock bottom". Modi can make Cairns' life more of a misery over the next 6 months and possibly even make him lose his relationship with his wife, I don't know at some stage she could stop beleiving in him. So he can still lose more, but I don't see how Modi gains by sending Cairns into a deeper level of hell than he already is. Modi's values are not becoming or ideal.

Sure, but put yourself in Modi's shoes. He had to defend a libel claim brought against him by Cairns in London. I suspect that experience, where you firmly believe the person suing you is lying, would leave a deep desire to set things straight. And since the libel case, you would have to say that a huge amount of evidence has come out that supports Modi's initial claims. Obviously, it wasn't enough to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt, but possibly on balance of probabilities.

Personally, I hope that Modi drops the claim, but as a matter of principle I can understand why he wants to be vindicated.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

errr yeah but he hasn't actually be found guilty of anything in any court, criminal or civil...

I mean yeah I think he's guilty but...

What I am not ok with is that in order to portray himself as not guilty, he is messing with others reputation like McCullum. Cairns' lawyer portrayed McCullum as he's talking for his own personal business agendas and stuff. McCullum had nothing to do in this until it was Cairns who tried to approach him. McCullum is having to deal with a lot of heat for the mess that Cairns is largely responsible for. When Cairns was asked after the verdict that what would he say to McCullum, he said he would ask "Why?". Modi is not a saint but until Cairns takes responsibility for his actions, I will have no sympathy for him.

 

[Daemon]

It's a win win for us imo. If modi loses then he loses all his money invested in the case which is funny because he's richer than all of us combined and rich people suck. If he wins then cairns is ****ed even harder for being a lying scum and modi still loses his money because cairns can't pay him back.

 

[SteveNZ]

When Cairns was asked after the verdict that what would he say to McCullum, he said he would ask "Why?". Modi is not a saint but until Cairns takes responsibility for his actions, I will have no sympathy for him.

I think we can all figure out for ourselves that McCullum has no motive to accuse Cairns of anything. Think Brendon has enough hours in the day for cricket, businesses, kids and going out of his way to stain Cairns' name for whatever tenuous motive? Therefore, we've all come to the conclusion that whilst a court of law may not have found him guilty of perjury, it's pretty clear in our minds what went on.

And Cairns can live with the consequences of never being welcome at NZC events, because that's never going to happen. He'll never enter a commentary box, a players function, a select few might have backed him (Nash, and whoever else) but he's ostracised make no doubt about that. And now Modi is going after him, which is no more than he deserves.

 

[Teja.]

If you think Cairns is guilty, I don't know why you'd want him to have 1 million $ for his trouble tarnishing cricket. Agree with Daemon.

 

[Hurricane]

Sure, but put yourself in Modi's shoes. He had to defend a libel claim brought against him by Cairns in London. I suspect that experience, where you firmly believe the person suing you is lying, would leave a deep desire to set things straight. And since the libel case, you would have to say that a huge amount of evidence has come out that supports Modi's initial claims. Obviously, it wasn't enough to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt, but possibly on balance of probabilities.

Personally, I hope that Modi drops the claim, but as a matter of principle I can understand why he wants to be vindicated.

He already is vindicated in the mind of Joe Public and the cricketing fraternity. Everyone knows his tweet was justified.

 

[Athlai]

Wouldn't be surprised if he'd hired someone to give him the exact figure he could squeeze out of Cairns.

 

[Daemon]

He already is vindicated in the mind of Joe Public and the cricketing fraternity. Everyone knows his tweet was justified.

He may want to do it for business reasons.

 

[Teja.]

There's a pretty good chance he's doing it because he can. LKM so fly he only smokes his own special brand of cigarettes:

 

[wellAlbidarned]

as much as I think cairns is probably guilty and he's brought this all upon himself I still have a shred of empathy for him and hope this doesn't push him into taking the easy way out. The stress must be unimaginable.

 

[Zinzan]

as much as I think cairns is probably guilty and he's brought this all upon himself I still have a shred of empathy for him and hope this doesn't push him into taking the easy way out. The stress must be unimaginable.

While my gut tells me he's guilty, I find it hard to have empathy for him given he should be grinning and pinching his cheeks having got through that at least without a conviction....again assuming he is a cheat of course.

Like a few others, something tells it's not all over yet.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Cairns needs to do the christianlike thing and hand the million $ back to Modi. A sinner deserves all that's coming to him. The lengths people will go to justify thievery....

 

[Hurricane]

as much as I think cairns is probably guilty and he's brought this all upon himself I still have a shred of empathy for him and hope this doesn't push him into taking the easy way out. The stress must be unimaginable.

The easy way out is basically my concern. Had he been charged and found guilty like Amir and asif in an expeditious fashion it would be more humane.

 

[social]

No sympathy for Cairns but **** Modi - the guy is bent as a $3 note, made a stupid & damaging tweet and put up a defence that had zero credibility

The guy was also stupid enough to go to trial on a matter after Cairns offered to settle for a simple apology

As for those who are saying that Cairns got $1 million, that's not how it works I'm afraid

He received $140k and the rest went directly to his lawyers

 

[nexxus]

Can Cairns claim poverty and ignore the case? Essentially say just what Hurricane is saying and tap out.

I mean he's likely to lose, why not just say "The reality of my situation is that while I'd like nothing more that to defend my name, whatever I have left is going to pay off lawyers, there's nothing left for Lalit to take so I leave him to his means, let him do his damnedest. Amazingly, I'm now being asked to clear my name a third time in a court where I've won and been found not to have lied. I simply have nothing left to give." and then withdraw any assets he has in the UK.

Sure, he'd lose by default and then could just not go back to the UK in fear of having property attached but would he care much about that, would he even have any assets there already? There's no threat of prison from losing this one and like he said, he's scorched anyway, this case won't move that dial at all.