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**Official** New Zealand in Australia 2015
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Johnson v Lee - Mystery
There's something I can't understand. Pundits have been telling us for years how Mitchell Johnson has been 'erratic & inconsistent' throughout his career. So how come his career average, SR & RPO figures are all lower than his contemporary and Nein 'ATG' Brett Lee?
There's something I can't understand. Pundits have been telling us for years how Mitchell Johnson has been 'erratic & inconsistent' throughout his career. So how come his career average, SR & RPO figures are all lower than his contemporary and Nein 'ATG' Brett Lee?
thierry henry
International Coach
Because it's also widely accepted that Lee was (by Australian standards at least) nothing special as a test bowler and also tended to be a bit expensive? And most people would probably accept that Johnson at his best was more damaging than Lee which explains both how Johnson has the better record and why Johnson would be regarded as more inconsistent?
I dunno, maybe there are people out there who think Lee comfortably>Johnson as a test bowler but I think most would agree that the stats tell a reasonably fair story. Who cares if Lee's mates in the comm box act like he was an ATG, that's a total straw man.
mr_mister
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as a kid I used to tell everyone who would listen that Binga was overrated(though I probably used a different word)
though it was soley based on the fact his best figures were only a 5 for. I put a lot of stock in best figures, McGrath and Warne top tier with 8, Dizzy, MacGill Kasper each had 7 fa's, naturally I considered Brett to be worse than them all with his crappy best of 5/30
though it was soley based on the fact his best figures were only a 5 for. I put a lot of stock in best figures, McGrath and Warne top tier with 8, Dizzy, MacGill Kasper each had 7 fa's, naturally I considered Brett to be worse than them all with his crappy best of 5/30
adub
International Captain
I'd say Bing was generally more consistent than Johnson. Not as dire when off, but not as destructive when on. Lee was very good when he took over from McGrath as the No.1 quick but that also generally coincided with us playing weaker opposition. Despite taking 300 test wickets most Australians would rate Lee as no where near our best.
One interesting thing about Johnson I wonder is just how much influence Ryan Harris being in the side with him had on his performance?
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His numbers with Ryano are ATG. Now that might just be because of those 8 matches they played together v Eng and SA coincided with Johnson hitting god mode. But I don't think it's a coincidence that when Johnson was brought back for the WACA game after missing Adelaide on the previous Ashes tour and destroyed England in the first innings Rhino was up the other end. Nor a coincidence that when Rhino went down in the next test in Melbourne Johnson reverted to crap. Harris' control and constant threat I think complemented Johnson and allowed him to be his best in a not insignificant part. Harris isn't the whole explanation for that 13/14 summer of destruction from MJ, but I reckon it played a big part.
One interesting thing about Johnson I wonder is just how much influence Ryan Harris being in the side with him had on his performance?
Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
His numbers with Ryano are ATG. Now that might just be because of those 8 matches they played together v Eng and SA coincided with Johnson hitting god mode. But I don't think it's a coincidence that when Johnson was brought back for the WACA game after missing Adelaide on the previous Ashes tour and destroyed England in the first innings Rhino was up the other end. Nor a coincidence that when Rhino went down in the next test in Melbourne Johnson reverted to crap. Harris' control and constant threat I think complemented Johnson and allowed him to be his best in a not insignificant part. Harris isn't the whole explanation for that 13/14 summer of destruction from MJ, but I reckon it played a big part.
hendrix
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Heart Dravid so much
Niall
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morgieb
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On this, Kumble actually only took one second innings wicket in that game. Was Agarkar that did the damage, with Sachin taking a couple of key wickets too.
straw man
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No rush this morning. Every run we score and minute we keep Australia in the field helps to pile the pressure on Australia. Bat until tea if they can. Score 700 if they can.
Aus bowlers will be threatening first thing but if NZ can survive that then some level of fatigue is going to set in for Australia. I can see Taylor/Craig surviving the first hour being the difference between the tail getting blown away for 550 all out, and a fun tail wag capped with a nice Henry/Southee/Boult slogathon.
Aus bowlers will be threatening first thing but if NZ can survive that then some level of fatigue is going to set in for Australia. I can see Taylor/Craig surviving the first hour being the difference between the tail getting blown away for 550 all out, and a fun tail wag capped with a nice Henry/Southee/Boult slogathon.
